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Gotta love nyc, where one wacko with a gun can take an entire building hostage

good thing it takes $450 and six months to get a pistol permit

you know else what bothers me about this article? the use of the word "killing" instead of "murder".

also, at the end, the guy says "thank god i'm alive". god really is the only one to thank if he left his door unlocked and didn't have any means to defend himself. IN NYC he left his door "open or unlocked".

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/nyregion/02shoot.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin

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After Fatal Home Invasion, Man Is Sought in Brooklyn
By TRYMAINE LEE
Published: October 1, 2008

The masked gunman kicked in the apartment door, pressed a gun to Xhevdet Nuzi’s head and issued an ultimatum: Hand over the money or someone dies. The robber had already taken hostages — two women from an apartment one floor below, the police said on Wednesday.

“I don’t know what happened,” Mr. Nuzi said outside his Brooklyn apartment hours after the early morning attack. “I was asleep. He said give me the money or I will shoot.”

Then the robber squeezed off a gunshot. And then another.

One of the women, Jessica Enger, 31, dropped to the floor, shot in the arm and chest. She was taken to Lutheran Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead at 7:12 a.m., the police said.

“This is a tragedy that anyone who knew her would feel,” Vivian Enger, an aunt of the victim, said in a telephone interview. She said her niece had a 6-year-old son who was staying with a grandmother at the time of the robbery and shooting.

“She was a loving mother and a very warm, friendly person,” the aunt said.

According to Jessica Enger’s MySpace page, she worked as an aesthetician at the 212 Spa for men in Manhattan and as an office manager at Champion Combustion, a heating and ventilation company in Brooklyn.

Many questions remain about the robbery-turned-killing in Bensonhurst, the police said. The whos and whys are as murky a mystery as the robber’s mode of operation: taking a set of residents as leverage to rob another.

It was unclear whether any money was taken from the apartment, the police said.

There had been no arrests in the killing late Wednesday, the police said.

Friends and neighbors identified the other hostage as Lisa Lee Ananias.

Mr. Nuzi and Ms. Ananias were not harmed.

The police said that about 6 a.m., a masked man crept through a rear door of the building on 85th Street, a wood-frame house fronted by a lawn and wrought-iron fence. The door was either left open or was unlocked, the police said.

The man then took Ms. Enger and Ms. Ananias to Mr. Nuzi’s second-floor apartment, where the attacker demanded money and then shot Ms. Enger, the police said.

“He put the gun to my head. He put it to my head,” Mr. Nuzi said, as he got into an S.U.V. before driving away from the scene with a bag of personal items. “Thank God I am alive.”
 
He could have locked the door, but it is unlikely that any one of us caught in that situation could have protected the neighbor. Awakened out of a sound sleep by a guy with a gun and two hostages? Unless those Superman jammies we sleep in are real, not likely.
 
Will the guy be arrested or has he contributed to Führer Bloomberg's "Mayor for Life" campaign?

Jim
 
They love using words such as "tragedy" and "killing," as if it were some natural disaster. This is part of a longstanding practice to avoid placing blame on the poor victimized shooter. There are no more murders. There are only "tragic deaths." Having a heart attack while running the marathon is a tragic death. Getting shot by some wacko--that's MURDER.
 
He could have locked the door, but it is unlikely that any one of us caught in that situation could have protected the neighbor. Awakened out of a sound sleep by a guy with a gun and two hostages? Unless those Superman jammies we sleep in are real, not likely.


You are right, it is highly unlikely that anyone could effectively respond to a situation like that, but there are thousands of ways to skin a cat. Remember the older fellow who faked a heart attack or seizure and shot two armed home invaders? He did ok, there are plenty of opportunities to succeed while armed that an unarmed person would not be able to take advantage of.
 
He could have locked the door, but it is unlikely that any one of us caught in that situation could have protected the neighbor. Awakened out of a sound sleep by a guy with a gun and two hostages? Unless those Superman jammies we sleep in are real, not likely.

this is true, but in my post i did make the point that there's more to the story than just this one guy having a gun or not. yes he should've locked his door. but who knows what happened to the other two women? maybe if at least one of them had owned a gun they would've had a fighting chance, we don't know how he got them in the first place.

and there's also the larger issue of the fact that robbers in nyc can be pretty darn certain that when they break into somebody's home, their victims won't be armed. where's that "criminals for gun control" vid?
 
Also, lets say for arguments sake, one in four homes in the area were armed...

Well... how many dwellings would you involve in one crime?
 
Mr Nuzi appears to be a coward. I'd really like to know what his answer was to "Give me your money or I'll shoot someone."

Did Nuzi say "No. I won't give you any money."?
Did Nuzi say "Wait a second, I'll go and get my money."?
Did he say nothing?

If the murderer whs whacked-out on drugs and shot no matter what the answer was than I apologize to Mr. Nuzi.

New Yorkers need to get their gun rights back so people like this at least have some hope of surviving an incident like this.
 
I agree that our lack of gunrights is troubling but I don't foresee them returning anytime soon. I does'nt matter that Bloomberg is running for a third term or not because no matter who is elected it's not going to be an issue.


I do not understand how the man did'nt shut or lock his door (if that's accurate) when going to sleep. As has been pointed out although difficult when there is a gun to your head people have come out on top, but with a lack of awareness such as his I doubvt it to be likely, gun or not.


*side note. Many police officers and even D.A.'s understand the b.s. involved with NYC gun laws. It's often known that every bodega or late night shop has a gun behind the counter and they do not actively attempt to confiscate them. The same for people's homes. There was a man in I believe Bayridge Brooklyn a few months ago who was attacked in his home. He used a .357 to dispatch of the scum with no indictment. This is just never really reported by the media.
 
ByAnyMeans- Eh, i dont know, its about twice a year we get the "He had an arsenal of 5 assault and sniper rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition" report on the local news... so maybe its only if they like ya, or you keep up the bribes.
 
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