Saiga .223 range report

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Saiga .223, 20.5" bull barrel, skeleton stock w/ extra 30-round magazine: $350 shipped
UTG 978 Lever-lock Dragunov-style Picatinny rail mount: $40
Leapers 3-9x40 reticle intensified red/green mil-dot scope: $60

Ammo: Black Hills 60 Grain Softpoint

100 yards, 2 MOA accuracy. No jams or any other malfunctions out of more than 100 rounds put through it. I outshot the 3 guys with AR's at the next table, and their guns were malfunctioning all day long. Given that I paid less than $500 for the whole rig, and got a perfectly reliable semi with very decent accuracy, I'm quite happy with it.

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The Leapers scope is excellent. Crystal clear optics, very good zoom and mangification. I could not ask for a better scope without spending hundreds of dollars. Toolless adjustment is a godsend. I would gladly mount this on any gun I own.

2 MOA isn't bad for a semi-auto rifle without dropping a LOT more money on a decent AR-15, and very good for an AK. At the ranges the .223 round is effective at, it's perfectly acceptable.

The Saiga .223 has an unusually heavy barrel, which accounts for much of its accuracy. The barrel's outer diameter is actually sized for the 7.62x39 AK-47 round, resulting in an unusually thick barrel for a .223, and an unusually rigid barrel for an AK. This results in the gun being somewhat front heavy. It is not uncomfortable, but it has some heft to it. The gun handles well and shoulders instinctively, so the weight is forgiveable.

I'd consider the Saiga .223 to be a solid contender in the price category. Considering I wound up with a gun that shoots about as well as budget AR's but is significantly more reliable at a much lower price, I would strongly recommend it. $350 normally does not get you much for a base gun, let alone a semi, but the value is pretty high on this one.
 
Excellent. Where did you get the Leapers scope? I am looking for such optics for my Saiga, and it sounds like you found a good match for your .223.
 
The scope I got from CheaperThanDirt. It's THIS model. It's a fully rubberized scope so it's resistant to weather and bumps.

The rail mount I got from TickBite Supply. You can find it HERE. It is listed as "Lever Lock AK Scope Mount with Side Rail". The manufacturer model number is UTG 978, so you might be able to find it elsewhere. I STRONGLY recommend this type of mount because it holds its zero within 1 MOA after being removed and reinstalled, whereas the set screw models must be completely rezeroed. You can also still quick strip the gun without tools.

The Saiga I got off Gunbroker.
 
No, it does not. However, you can remove the scope mount in about 5 seconds because it's a quick-release lever lock design. Pull the lever, slide it to the rear, and set it aside.

Here is a picture of my setup:
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Yes, I am left-handed, before anyone asks because of the position of the cheekpad.

I also replaced the front sling ring with a larger metal loop I cut to fit the original Russian mount, but that was so cheap it's not worth pricing. The old ring was a 3/4". The new one is a 1.5", allowing me to use any sling I want. I got that from Seattle Fabrics. They also sell metal loops with a hook attached to them, which can be used to attach a Western sling to a Russian gun that just has a hook for the barrel mount. Very useful if you have a standard AK or a Romak-3 / PSL.
 
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i have heard from some that you can grind away at the underside of the top rail to enable use of the iron sights. is the metal too thin to do this? it looks like it from the above picture...
edited to add: if you're a do-it-your-selfer than you can buy a 50 rd steel galil 223 mag and mod it to fit your saiga if that 10 rd doesn't fulfill your needs
 
I have the Belarus BP-02 mount on my Saiga and while it is supposed to be the "low" model, it's still to high to allow co-witnessing the iron sights. It's not really difficult to remove if I want to use irons, but I'd rather just settle on decent optics and be done with it. Thanks for the link.
 
i had the options to buy a 30 rd but i didnt buy it simply becuase it was polymer. i opted for the steel galil mag with a little work on modifying it. other than the eventual wear and tear do you think the polymer mags are solid construction?
 
I've got no complaints about the polymers. I've yet to see this rifle jam even once. The Surefires are supposed to be strong enough to drive a truck over them, and have a lifetime warranty. The FFL that received my Saiga commented that it was a very positive spring, and was clearly impressed. I don't know if it will eventualy wear down, but I'll be prepared if it does. Whatever you do, don't buy ProMag crap. They're nothing but junk. Surefire is the real deal.
 
Eeeesh from what i've heard, i think they're lightyears ahead of most any other stock semi-auto platform.
 
Quick question: Isn't it illegal to use a magazine with more than 10 round capacity in a foreign manufacturee gun?

Not if he's made the gun 922r compliant.
 
Hi all, I'm a noob to saigas, did you modify that trigger assembly? what does it take to move one of those forewards to put on a pistol grip or whatnot?
 
ds92, instead of moving forward the trigger grip, if thats too much for you and you prefer working with wood simply make a stock out of wood that has a pistol grip. thats what i did to mine.
i prefer messing with things other than my gun at first, that way if i screw up it isnt a permanent mess up
 
ds92, if you think you might be interested in converting a Saiga to a pistol grip (which, yes, requires replacing and moving the trigger assembly forward), head over to the Saiga-12 forum and start reading. It may seem daunting at first, but I did it to my Saiga .223 and it wasn't all that difficult. I'm glad I did, too.
 
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depends on the state jimbo

I believe that 922r is Federal.

If you have 10 or fewer foreign made parts from a list of specific parts then you can use standard capacity mags. If you have over ten foreign parts on that list then yes it is illegal. Unless he has changed the piston or one of the FCG parts then sticking a 30 round mag in the pictured saiga is indeed illegal. There are much better explinations of 922r than that but that is the jist of it.

Hi all, I'm a noob to saigas, did you modify that trigger assembly? what does it take to move one of those forewards to put on a pistol grip or whatnot?

Google saiga conversion and check out the saiga 12 forum as suggested. Doing a conversion really is VERY easy. There is very little to screw up. Besides the improvements to the gun you will have a much better understanding of your weapon and it is fun.
 
Mike - Nice set up. I have basically the same thing in 762, skeleton, and I'm also lefty!

That side rail you got, is it offset to one side at all, or does it mount the optic right over the center? Ive read some of the comblock sidemount rails are offset because they're designed for right handed shooters. Don't know why they would do it like that, but for a lefty that would make it more difficult.

Just wondering because I'm going to get something for mine soon and want to make sure the mount is center, not offset. Again, nice setup.

Now I need sleep!

DO'h. Just read on the site that the rail is center-mount, not offset! Perfect! Thanks!
 
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