SBR loads - 223

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Anyone have any favorite loads for short barreled 223's? Whether it be AR's, Contenders etc.

Just curious if some things work better than others regarding light Vs heavy projectiles, fast Vs slow burning powders.

I've heard some say whatever works in standard lengths will be fine in sbr's. I'm OK with that logic but wanted more input from a reloaders standpoint. The length barrel I'm enquiring for is 10.5 inches 1:7 twist.
 
I really don't change much but with the 1-7 some older thin jacketed bullets might not work so well.

When I bought my first 1-7 AR I found some of my varmint jhp's would come apart due to centrifugal force but back then bolt guns with 1:14 twists were common.
 
You might hear a lot of things but a large blast means only one thing, a lot of powder is burned at the muzzle outside the barrel that equals wasted fuel.
It is hard to say where to start w/o knowing your chamber and it could be dangerous so you need to start low and work it up.
There are at least a dozen popular reamer variants to cut a 223 chamber all with different freebore and throat dimensions.
There is also the chambering job itself. If you have a 5.56, wylde or any variant of a match chamber I would say try the Black hills
77gr TMK and see if you like it. Surprisingly performs well in a 12" barrel. If you like it then replicate using popular powders like R15 or CFE.
Otherwise try light bullets and faster powders but the fast twist will not do them any favors and ballistically are restricted to varmint or plinking.
I personally never shot anything below 12" other than a round I made in a 35 wildcat that is in 10" upper that is like a complete different story.
First measure your chamber and freebore and that will give you more info to decide where to start.
Also keep in mind lake city nato brass and old CCW will give you the most capaicity and strength on average if you want to pump it up.
Good luck.
 
For a few years we reloaders postulated that short barrels needed fast powders, slower powders would not burn fast enough and just blow out the muzzle. I believed it. We all did.

Today we have some tools that help us understand internal ballistics. QuickLoad is very interesting, it is not used to determine load data, but it is an excellent learning tool to gain an understanding of our cartridges and their components. Good use is to compare components, to evaluate them holding other variables constant. Let's run some data for SlowFuse's 10.5 inch barrel and compare fast, medium and slow powders.

Run 223 Rem (SAAMI) with ordinary 55fmj-bt at 2.260" OAL using 26.0 grains Varget in a 10.5 inch barrel. Max pressure 52,666 psi is achieved at 0.31 milliseconds. (Not 0.3 seconds, but 0.3 thousandths of a second). Pressure falls in half at 0.5 milliseconds. Then down to 20,000 psi at 0.6 milliseconds. The powder is burned. Pressure is dropping dramatically. At 0.66 milliseconds the bullet leaves the muzzle of a 10.5" barrel at calculated 2552 fps.

Varget is one of the slowest powders we normally use in 223 Rem. Just for kicks, run a slower powder, VV N140. 26.0 grains. Max pressure 54,063 psi at 0.32 milliseconds. Yep, a slower powder only burns 0.01 milliseconds slower. Once again pressure drops to 20,000 psi at 0.6 milliseconds and the bullet leaves the barrel at 0.65 milliseconds at calculated 2604 fps.

OK, let's try a faster powder. Benchmark. 24.5 grains. Pressure peaks out at 54,608 psi at... 0.30 milliseconds. Only 0.01 milliseconds faster. Just like the others, drops below 20,000psi at 0.6 milliseconds and exits the muzzle at 0.65 milliseconds at a calculated 2576 fps.

In inches, peak pressure is about half way down the 10.5" barrel. It still carries nearly 20,000 psi when bullet leaves the barrel, if the barrel is longer that residual pressure still pushes the bullet (20k psi is nothing to dismiss). That's why longer barrels get more velocity. They make use of residual pressure after the powder is completely burned in the first few inches.

So short barrels don't necessarily 'require' fast powders. And long barrels don't necessarily 'require' slow powders. Your barrel will tell you what it likes. Some like it fast, some like it slow. That's what handloading is all about. Each gun is its own platform in your hands, seek the best load for the best purpose in your gun using best components available.


[So why the big flame and muzzle flash from short barrels? They tell us it is hot carbon still red hot from deflagration, but that I cannot confirm. Industry tells us a longer barrel allows the carbon to cool off and we get less muzzle flash. That requires more investigation. If powder burns in the first few inches, it would be wise to investigate further when we get a big muzzle flash. It would not be the powder.]

Note: If we use a very slow powder (especially in a pistol but also in rifle) at very low charge, we get unburned kernels. Those kernels never ignited. They blew out the muzzle because they never got their chance to ignite due to the retarder that made them 'slow' powders. I've seen other members here on THR cover that subject before. It isn't related to powder still burning past the muzzle, but poor choice of burn rate and powder charge.

Now, I don't expect you to believe any of this. I expect you to rip me apart, and rip QuickLoad, and rip my story telling, and rip the horse I rode in on. I expect you to deny this post vehemously. I expect you to dismiss me as an idiot. I expect you to claim I made it all up. I'm OK with that, as long as you go out and endeavor to educate yourself. Dig up all the technical data you can find, not just internet forum jabber but real technical reports from the industry. Don't believe me. Go find the best industry technical reports you can find, because that's the science you really should believe.
 
I have to admit I did not do a lot if load development for the AR. I did more for my bolt action .223 rifle.

My standard AR load is a 55gr bullet over 25.0gr H335 with a CCI #41 primer.

Never trust any data you get from a stranger on the Internet. Always verify the data, mistakes can and will happen when posting data.
 
I loaded a bunch of 5.56 with RL-7 being as it uses a very minimal amount of powder per round, and the KT PLR-16 likes them a lot. They do seem to have a bit less muzzle blast than the normal H335 loads but are still pretty loud. Since the linear comp the flash is way down....but naked muzzle the 335 flash a much bigger fireball. A Bushmaster Varminter doesn't like the RL-7 ammo and won't reliably eject it but it's turned down so it won't throw the brass very far even with hot ammo.
 
Below the 12" mark there is precious fuel and pressure being wasted. The question is to find out how much with 10.5".
One powder that ants mentioned benchmark might be worth trying and quickload will not give you a precise prediction for it depending on your chamber and
rifling. Again is all relative. It compresses really well and peak pressure can be delayed but you don't really want that anyway. Hard to say what it will do w/o testing.
But slower powders with nice bulltes should do well too so try the TMK as I previously suggested. I did some searching for you and found a guy testing the black hills. Not sure how accurate
his readings are but it doesn't seem too far off based on my own tests. These are nice rounds so if they work for you the next challenge would be to replicate them
and a few slower powders might help you. The nice thing about the 77gr TMK is that is a very good flyer so even at slower speeds will be ballistically superior to other
rounds. Think of it in the following terms.. the AK and others claim superior performance in very short barrels but the black hills load proves this is just a myth and
the 223 can be an good performer. R15, Varget, CFE... those re some to try.

here is the video I found...

 
I handload 26.0 gr H322 with 50gr VMax (headshots) and 50gr GMX (barrier blind), achieving 2900 fps from an 11.5" Black Hole Weaponry 1:7 barrel.

26.0 gr H322 with Hornady 55gr FMJBT yields 2800 fps from the same barrel. This is my standard M193 clone load across multiple bbl lengths.

I use Winchester small rifle primers.

Very happy with H322. Zero muzzle flash and mild muzzle blast.
 
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I have excellent results from IMR-4198 out of my Ruger's 18 inch barrel and my S&W M&P-15's 16 inch barrel.

IMR-4198 is one of the faster powders suitable for the .223/5.56. An added bonus is that a good, accurate, but not maximum load is often under 20 grains and (out of an 18 inch barrel) can still nudge 3,000 fps with a 60 grain bullet while a number of slower burning powders take upwards of 25 grains and that's the difference between 350 rounds from a pound and as few as 280. If you're buying your powder retail and paying upwards of $30 a pound, that 70 round difference can make an appearance in your wallet pretty quick.
 
Thanks for everyone's input. Should be fun figuring out this thing. Lots of good stuff here.

Ants, excellent post. I need to get that quick load software.
 
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