Scenes from a Philippine Gun Show :)
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fallingblock
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Thanks for the pics, horge....
That sure beats anything I've seen at gun shows here in Australia!
Keep your guard up, the global anti-gunners are currently roaming the Pacific looking for sympathetic governments to implement tighter gun controls.
Papua-New Guinea recently put some fairly draconian proposals into motion, and Philip Alpers wants more grant money.
That sure beats anything I've seen at gun shows here in Australia!
Keep your guard up, the global anti-gunners are currently roaming the Pacific looking for sympathetic governments to implement tighter gun controls.
Papua-New Guinea recently put some fairly draconian proposals into motion, and Philip Alpers wants more grant money.
What about the jerky and the T-shirts?
The shows in the Philippines, at least the ones horge depicts, seem to be more closer to trade shows like SHOT (but open to the public) than a regular weekend gun shows here. As seen from Stand_Watie's photos, that's pretty much the way it is here in the US. There may be a handful of dealers that have guns in elaberate displays under glass but the majority (at least from all of the ones I've been to) are just guns laid out on a table top. Even less seen are manufacturers at regular gun shows.
Stand_Watie
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Yes, I think you answered my question. What I was questioning was
a) If you were required to unload and lock your weapons in a safe when you weren't actively using them
and
b) If shooting a home invader presented a great enough risk of being prosecuted (and severe enough penalties) to make you prefer to take your chances with the home invader.
I think if you're touristry department is smart they'll try to nurture the trade. I'll bet a good marketing campaign (Perhaps showing Japanese gentlemen smoking pipes and wearing tweed jackets whilst shooting clays with double-shotguns?) would pay for itself many times over.
a) If you were required to unload and lock your weapons in a safe when you weren't actively using them
and
b) If shooting a home invader presented a great enough risk of being prosecuted (and severe enough penalties) to make you prefer to take your chances with the home invader.
I think if you're touristry department is smart they'll try to nurture the trade. I'll bet a good marketing campaign (Perhaps showing Japanese gentlemen smoking pipes and wearing tweed jackets whilst shooting clays with double-shotguns?) would pay for itself many times over.
Ashendale
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"We don't have a 2nd Amendment: Firearms ownership is a privilege and not a right.
I think it has worked out fine for us, because quite a few of us don't view firearms ownership as a 'right' or even a personal 'privilege', but as a social, moral and familial duty to be well-prepared."
Horge,
I was in the Philippines not too long ago. The only citizens with firearms seemed to be the criminals and the wealthy. As for being well-prepared, I agree. You need to be prepared to protect yourself from practically everyone including the common ruck citizen thug, the politicians (organized crime), the law enforcement (mostly corrupt), heck everyone, unless you're wealthy and/or part of the above or the military. Life is cheap. The wanton wealthy are above the law. Sorry about sounding kinda bitter, but I had a couple of near terminal experiences with privileged firearm owners.
Next time I'm over there, I'm going to take up an offer by a Senator's son to "get me one" (a handgun).
Ian
I think it has worked out fine for us, because quite a few of us don't view firearms ownership as a 'right' or even a personal 'privilege', but as a social, moral and familial duty to be well-prepared."
Horge,
I was in the Philippines not too long ago. The only citizens with firearms seemed to be the criminals and the wealthy. As for being well-prepared, I agree. You need to be prepared to protect yourself from practically everyone including the common ruck citizen thug, the politicians (organized crime), the law enforcement (mostly corrupt), heck everyone, unless you're wealthy and/or part of the above or the military. Life is cheap. The wanton wealthy are above the law. Sorry about sounding kinda bitter, but I had a couple of near terminal experiences with privileged firearm owners.
Next time I'm over there, I'm going to take up an offer by a Senator's son to "get me one" (a handgun).
Ian
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horge
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Stand_Watie,
Hi
No silly laws on unloading, or setting safety within the home.
One can't legislate private, common sense gun safety, anyways. As I intimated, it's public carry that's more closely regulated, like Condition Three only, et cetera.
Former World Steel Challenge champion Jethro Dionisio did indeed hook up with the Department of Tourism --he runs a very classy clays range and resort north of Manila. Some Princes of Brunei, Japanese industrialists, and that crowd are his clientele. The pistol ranges elsewhere handle the less gilded crowd
Hal,
Anyone non-military showing up in camo would get laughed at all the way to the show exit. And hey... I see lots of fat people in the photos I posted! What? You mean that's not fat yet? Does that make me a toothpick??
Someone call Skunky fast-- I need backup here.
Ian
I'm sorry for your unfortunate experiences while here
I'd suspect that there are arrogant, armed people everywhere. Most of the firearms-owners I know are quiet family men. Precisely the sort who want to stay low-profile. The rest are active IPSC/IDPA competitors or law enforcers.
A lot of cops here are crooked, but things are getting better each year.
More than a firearm, you need a better roadmap: Not all the 'rough parts of town' can be defined geographically. There is a social and societal minefield out there that Filipinos automatically recognize and navigate ---but often fails to make complete sense to an outsider.
horge
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No silly laws on unloading, or setting safety within the home.
One can't legislate private, common sense gun safety, anyways. As I intimated, it's public carry that's more closely regulated, like Condition Three only, et cetera.
Former World Steel Challenge champion Jethro Dionisio did indeed hook up with the Department of Tourism --he runs a very classy clays range and resort north of Manila. Some Princes of Brunei, Japanese industrialists, and that crowd are his clientele. The pistol ranges elsewhere handle the less gilded crowd
Hal,
Anyone non-military showing up in camo would get laughed at all the way to the show exit. And hey... I see lots of fat people in the photos I posted! What? You mean that's not fat yet? Does that make me a toothpick??
Someone call Skunky fast-- I need backup here.
Ian
I'm sorry for your unfortunate experiences while here
I'd suspect that there are arrogant, armed people everywhere. Most of the firearms-owners I know are quiet family men. Precisely the sort who want to stay low-profile. The rest are active IPSC/IDPA competitors or law enforcers.
A lot of cops here are crooked, but things are getting better each year.
More than a firearm, you need a better roadmap: Not all the 'rough parts of town' can be defined geographically. There is a social and societal minefield out there that Filipinos automatically recognize and navigate ---but often fails to make complete sense to an outsider.
horge
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Horge-
Thank you for sharing your photos and experiences with us. Very cool. HKSW is right, the photos you posted much more resemble the SHOT Show than any of the run-of-the-mill gunshows here in the US.
A couple of questions for you:
1)Is gun registration mandated by law in the Philippines?
2)Would they let you shoot a full-auto pistol in IDPA competition?
Thank you for sharing your photos and experiences with us. Very cool. HKSW is right, the photos you posted much more resemble the SHOT Show than any of the run-of-the-mill gunshows here in the US.
A couple of questions for you:
1)Is gun registration mandated by law in the Philippines?
2)Would they let you shoot a full-auto pistol in IDPA competition?
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horge
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Justin,
Hi!
Gun registration is mandatory.
The problem of loose (unregistered) firearms has been with us since WW2 battlefields were littered with abandoned, usable firearms. Local skill in backyard gunsmithing also means there are a lot of 'paltik' or homemade firearms churned out every year --some of which are quite good, and few of which are ever registered.
Full auto pistol in IDPA, eh? Hee hee.
Actually, it's a little silly here. For sompetitions, we copy US standards ---adopting the 10-round mag cap, even though we have never had a Clinton(ian) 10 round limit. This --I guess-- is to help train competitiors here in prep for competition over yonder in your neck of the woods (with all of your quaint gun laws, hehe). There have been quite a few Filipinos who've made their mark in the shooting sports over in the US.
....so, no, the CZ Select (and other full auto pistols) ought to be --but AREN'T legit here for competition.
I'd love it if in the rifle competitions, they allowed M4 owners to use the ubiquitous add-on grenade launcher --Bushy here does sell them already included!.
Hi!
Gun registration is mandatory.
The problem of loose (unregistered) firearms has been with us since WW2 battlefields were littered with abandoned, usable firearms. Local skill in backyard gunsmithing also means there are a lot of 'paltik' or homemade firearms churned out every year --some of which are quite good, and few of which are ever registered.
Full auto pistol in IDPA, eh? Hee hee.
Actually, it's a little silly here. For sompetitions, we copy US standards ---adopting the 10-round mag cap, even though we have never had a Clinton(ian) 10 round limit. This --I guess-- is to help train competitiors here in prep for competition over yonder in your neck of the woods (with all of your quaint gun laws, hehe). There have been quite a few Filipinos who've made their mark in the shooting sports over in the US.
....so, no, the CZ Select (and other full auto pistols) ought to be --but AREN'T legit here for competition.
I'd love it if in the rifle competitions, they allowed M4 owners to use the ubiquitous add-on grenade launcher --Bushy here does sell them already included!.
NIGHTWATCH
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My girlfriend is a filipina. She is also an anti.... she is going to hate this thread when I send it to her.
MOOHOOHAHAHAAA!
MOOHOOHAHAHAAA!
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horge
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A Filipina?
Go ahead and tease her, but...
brother, will she ever make you pay for it
Go ahead and tease her, but...
brother, will she ever make you pay for it
one45auto
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horge is right, NIGHTWATCH. My ex-wife is from the Philippines, so believe me you're going to get an earful if you're not careful. They're well-known for having short tempers.
HABU
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I was in the PI when Marcos enacted martial law. Occasionally we would see people (round eyes) in formal wear out cutting grass in the morning because they got caught out after curfew. I remember my dad having a 1911. I later learned that it ended up in the bay.
Horge, do yo have broken bottles on the wall around your place?
Horge, do yo have broken bottles on the wall around your place?
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horge
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LOLOriginally posted by HABU
Horge, do you have broken bottles on the wall around your place?
Ah... memories...
I think the shift to barbed/razor wire started in the late 80's.
The older houses still have those glass shards/ broken bottles anchored in mortar atop their perimieter fences. Atop and slightly behind mine, there's razor, in loose coils.
I went back to the Gunshow and put down money on an Armscor GI 1911 Fullsize
(5" barrel, parkarized finish). At only P10,800.oo (US$198.oo) with two mags, it was just too good to pass up.
There was an even hotter bargain, a blued 1911 Fullsize, with no-snag sights, combat hammer and skeletonized trigger, selling for only P9,999.oo (US$178.oo), see below, with all the fondling fingerprints...
...but I wanted to go with something closer to 'old skool'.
71Commander
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Excellent thread Horge.
Congrats on the 1911 purchase. You'll have to visit these sites that are dedicated to the old slabside.
An established sith that is a wealth of information:
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/index.php?s=
A new site:
http://www.1911og.org/forum/vbindex.php
Can we expect a 1911 resource page in the near future that rivals the Bersa page?
Again, congrats.
Congrats on the 1911 purchase. You'll have to visit these sites that are dedicated to the old slabside.
An established sith that is a wealth of information:
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/index.php?s=
A new site:
http://www.1911og.org/forum/vbindex.php
Can we expect a 1911 resource page in the near future that rivals the Bersa page?
Again, congrats.
13A
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Thanks for the pictures jorge. Here are some from the Tulsa Oklahoma gunshow. I hope to go there this fall.
http://www.tulsaarmsshow.com/frames.html
http://www.tulsaarmsshow.com/frames.html
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horge
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TennTucker,
Thanks for the kind words!
Thanks for the links!
Right now, I need to read a 1911 resource page,
and really have no business writing one, heee heee...
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Thanks for the link 13A.
3,800 tables!!!
Our gunshows only have 30-60 vendors, tops!
Even assuming the equivalent of 10 "tables" per vendor at most.
We're still small potatoes!
Thanks for the kind words!
Thanks for the links!
Right now, I need to read a 1911 resource page,
and really have no business writing one, heee heee...
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Thanks for the link 13A.
3,800 tables!!!
Our gunshows only have 30-60 vendors, tops!
Even assuming the equivalent of 10 "tables" per vendor at most.
We're still small potatoes!
CZ 75 BD
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Thanks
for the pics and report. I enjoy learning about other cultures.
for the pics and report. I enjoy learning about other cultures.
Thanks for sharing those pictures and description. I used to fly to Manilla frequently for business (semi-conductors), the company I worked for had numerous test and assembly facilities there. Great people - my only complaint when I was there was I'm pretty sure I was the only one with out a gun.
carebear
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booth babes?
mbs357
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*DROOL*horge said:Last:
P.B. Dionisio showcased its CZ 75 Select, Full auto:
IndianaDean
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Wonderful report, Horge. I'd love to come to the Phillipines to visit and of course attend one of those shows. Like someone else said, your shows are so much better presented than shows in the U.S.
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