Gordon
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Well this came up in real life recently in Southern Oregon. A group of neighbors and extended family came under the ire of large Mexican Cartel growers of MJ in our area as our good sheriff dept is rolling up HUGE , as in hundred of thousand plants , grown along Cartel bought up for cash river edge properties . All the neighbors can't stand it as the State and feds give them a pass to bus in hundreds of illegal laborers and the local small un incorporated towns are fearful of the swaggering young "enforcers" that patrol "their " turf. It IS real scary. The only thing that stands against them is the Josephine County Sheriff Office , a Great organization, and they will bull doze and round up "managers" of the unregistered grows they are tipped off to. So several huge operations, with hundred workers living in barns have been flattened by the sheriff dept this year. Verbal threats are being made to citizens by the young enforcers who were caught and released as there is no immigration enforcement.
To that end my extended family of legal CCW posessors who are in volunteer fire and other emergency services are gearing up. So out from the back of the safes come the FNFALs, the M-14s and other major caliber weapons by the over 40 crowd , under advice from "ya better call Gordon" as the new tool against foriegn invasion. Seems the modis operendi of the cartel growers is to put four heavily armed enforcers in their 4x4 SUVs and approach your properties and get as close as they can to dwellings before disembarking into concealed positions. They have done so a couple times but use of direct UHF contact to Sheriffs have resulted inapprehension before the firefight starts !
However for such tactics on a sconce , the 7.62 in a bipod equipped FNFAL, or M14 , AR 10 7.62x51 seems to be optimum from an alerted dwelling which should have monitored cameras or guard on duty. Yes it IS that bad currently ! Yes and a Garand with a can of M1 or M2 AP on strippers would work too .
5.56 doesn't do so great on SUVs in my experience, where as 7.62x51 (or 7.62x54R) does the job.
Just saying.
Obviously for fire and maneuver fighting 5.56 or 7.62x39 is just fine.
I'm trying to help here and don't want to argue about what I am currently very concerned about on a daily basis.
To that end my extended family of legal CCW posessors who are in volunteer fire and other emergency services are gearing up. So out from the back of the safes come the FNFALs, the M-14s and other major caliber weapons by the over 40 crowd , under advice from "ya better call Gordon" as the new tool against foriegn invasion. Seems the modis operendi of the cartel growers is to put four heavily armed enforcers in their 4x4 SUVs and approach your properties and get as close as they can to dwellings before disembarking into concealed positions. They have done so a couple times but use of direct UHF contact to Sheriffs have resulted inapprehension before the firefight starts !
However for such tactics on a sconce , the 7.62 in a bipod equipped FNFAL, or M14 , AR 10 7.62x51 seems to be optimum from an alerted dwelling which should have monitored cameras or guard on duty. Yes it IS that bad currently ! Yes and a Garand with a can of M1 or M2 AP on strippers would work too .
5.56 doesn't do so great on SUVs in my experience, where as 7.62x51 (or 7.62x54R) does the job.
Just saying.
Obviously for fire and maneuver fighting 5.56 or 7.62x39 is just fine.
I'm trying to help here and don't want to argue about what I am currently very concerned about on a daily basis.
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