Selected Large Folders -- A Comparison

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Having recently procured yet another full-sized folder, I set about doing what I always do, to wit, putting it through that most grueling of tests: kitchen work.

It's not a particularly fair test battery for a number of reasons. For one, it depends on my mood which actual tests will be run. For another, the materials constantly change in quality and availability.

Yes, I know what you're thinking, that it's just asking too much of a knife to perform well in the chef's domain, that I ought to be testing in on tactical targets like stabbing dummies, slicing through thick rope, slashing through bottles of water, batoning logs, chopping 2x4 boards, and so on. Well, that's all fine for those wimpy outdoor applications like camping, hunting, and survival.

But you know, in your heart of hearts, that the hard work happens in the harsh and hostile domain of the prep cook, the chambers of cuisine, where the most stern critic of cutlery abides: the kitchen. Sure, you can skin three elk cows with that knife in a single afternoon, but would your wife choose it to slice tomatoes? Hmm? Chop vegetables? See? Hack up stew meat? Not so easy now, is it?

Today's test is the dreaded salami slicing suite. Three pound chub of Columbus Italian Dry.

Contestants are the following:
  • Buck 110 folding hunter
  • Buck 346 folding EDC
  • EKA Swede-92 (aka Normark American Hunter)
  • Benchmade's "NRA Outdoors" hunting/skinning folder
  • Case XX large Sod Buster
All knives in stainless.


Lined up in the order we will test:
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Beside the imposing bulk of a whole pound of Greater Spotted Italian Salami.
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Buck 110 (1992, pre-420HC)
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Buck 346 Vantage Avid in 12C27 Sandvik
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EKA Swede-92 as Normark American Hunter in 12C27 Sandvik
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Case XX Sod Buster (large) in "Tru-Sharp" stainless
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Benchmade NRA Outdoors Steigerwalt 3-blade in 440C
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I took a picture right after the test -- or thought I did -- with the knives lined up in the order of performance. When I offloaded the pics from the camera, however, that pic was not there. Rats. However, the results are below.

Basically I wanted to see which knife would slice easily through hard dry salami, giving uniform thin slices without the blade wandering off-line, binding up in the "work," or requiring extra effort to control the blade or force the cut.

The best performer (and, yes, this was a bit of a surprise) was the old Case Sod Buster.

This was followed by a near three-way tie for second. The Buck 110 would bite into the work very easily and slice through effectively, but required a bit of "English" on the cutting angle to get a straight slice. The EKA/Normark would bite into the work almost as easily, required no angular adjustment to get nice even slices, but the broad blade tended to bind just a little from "clamping" friction due to the greater flat surface area. The Benchmade/NRA cut easily, needed very little angular guidance, exhibited little friction, but required a little more effort at the bottom of the cut to make a clean slice.

I will award second place to the Benchmade/NRA because the overall slicing action was consistent and required no "extra skill" to get a good, even, thin slice, even though the last stroke needed a bit more force to complete the cut.

Similarly, third place goes to the EKA/Normark for not needing any extra attention to the cutting angle to get an even slice, even though a little more force was needed to overcome the "caliper" friction on the flat sides.

Which leaves the Buck 110 in fourth place. This is hardly fair, really, because it was clearly sharper than either the EKA or NRA, but the hollow-ground blade cross section makes an even slice difficult without managing the angle of the blade through the slice. It's just that, without the extra expertise to manage that angle, the cut becomes clumsy, and you get slices that are tapered, even incomplete.

In last place for this exercise is the newest piece in the bunch: the Buck 246 Vantage Avid.

Understand that "last place" is all about small fractions. It was fractionally less sharp. It had fractionally more friction resistance. It needed fractionally more effort to keep a slice straight. And, most unfairly of all, it required a bit more vertical force for the simple reason that it's not quite as long as the others. Funny what a quarter inch of length one way or the other will do.

Now, to be fair, last night's encounter with the veggies was very favorable for the Buck Vantage. I was actually expecting it to be the one to beat on the salami.

Oh, there is one other little factor: the Buck Vantage is the only one of these that still has the factory edge. All the others have previously been touched up on a diamond steel to obtain just a that little extra zing. I imagine that after a few strokes the Vantage will zing, too.


The surprise was how facile the simpler blade shape of the sodbuster is for routine jobs. That same simplicity is found in the NRA Steigerwalt blade, which is really very close to the sodbuster profile. Both of those blades were very easy to use, producing uniform results with minimal effort.

Next time I'll have to include the Opinel #8 to see how its simplicity and edge zing hold up in a side-by-side with these others.


And immediately after the salami exercise . . .
Oh look! The mail's here!
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Looks like the Birthday Fairy is a whole week early!

It's late, so I'll post those pictures tomorrow.

 
I think that test has merit. Summer sausage would be a good substitute for hard salami IMO. I noticed you had 2 types of crackers available for the horizontal lay testing. How'd that work out?

On a side note, I broke the backspring on a Buck 110 once. I was simply asking too much of it.
 
Nice practical testing, My favorite Salami slicer is the SAK Rucksack which has a long slender blade similar to your Case.....it's also got a woodsaw in case the salami is frozen and a corkscrew so I can enjoy some wine with my salami and cheese!
 
Crackers?

I noticed you had 2 types of crackers available for the horizontal lay testing. How'd that work out?

:D

Quite well, actually.


I should note that the main reason these five knives were selected for this test is that they are all in my primary full-sized-knife EDC rotation.

The Buck 110 doesn't get as much time as the others because a) it's comparatively heavy, b) it has a higher "scary for the civilians" factor.

I keep coming back to the EKA (Normark) Swede-92. It's light for its size, comfortable in hand, robust, sharp, and for some reason doesn't seem "scary" for regular folk.

We'll have to see how the Buck Vantage compares over time.

 
I think we need to know a little more about the test media before we can come to any rational conclusions.

Domestic or imported? :rolleyes:
 
Medium?

Domestic or imported?

Domestic, as it turns out. I had never bothered to check until you asked.

San Francisco.



I don't see why the sodbuster is a surprise. Case are my favorite.

Case are definitely a quality product line.

I wasn't surprised that the large sodbuster did well, I was surprised at just HOW well it performed in the context of other known sharp knives.

It wasn't a matter of "hmm, that seems to be a BIT better," it was more of a "holy cow -- wouldja look at that!" kinda thing.

:)
 
More modern 110s have the 'Edge 2X' thinner edge and more hollow grind. They come super sharp - and are better 'thin slicers' than older 110s. I suggest a retry with a newer 110... some Ritz crackers... more salami...

Actually, they can beat those TV advert slicers with tomatoes, too. I'll attempt to verify that at lunch today... if I can find a good example to cut!

Stainz
 
Large?

Yeah, I pondered that before I wrote it.

I figure a knife that's too big to carry comfortably in a pants pocket is "large."

Buck 110 is a serious lump of cutlery for pocket carry. Most of the ones I used for this are over 4 inches closed, most of them 4.5+ inches.

"Medium" would be a medium stockman, a standard SAK, mini trapper, stuff like that.

I have a couple of folding knives that are more than 5 inches closed (like an Opinel #10), and I would call those "oversized" folders.

Hey, it's hard work making up terminology out of thin air.

:D

 
Just curious...

Did the knives, perchance, end up ranked in reverse order of their blade thickness?
 
Thickness?

Actually, it seemed to be more a matter of blade shape (i.e. cross section) and blade width than thickness.

I will grant that the thicker spines (Buck 110 and the Vantage) had deeper grinds -- in fact, those where the only two with hollow ginds -- while the other three, with spines nearly as thick, were all flat ground.

The Scandi grind (on the EKA/Normark) is flat, but the blade is wide -- as wide as the Vantage and wider than the 110.

The combination of flat grind and narrow blade seems to be good for this particular task. Doesn't hurt that they're sharp as the dickens.

 
I've been messing around with a variety of knives lately and keep running into the fact that the knives of yesteryear tend to cut better than the new breed of made-to-be-indestructible tactical knives.

Most "tactical" knives have pretty thick spines and when you cut things, ultimately the spine has to pass through whatever you're cutting. That means that no matter how sharp the edge is, ultimately (unless you're cutting something pretty soft or pretty small) you end up having to wedge the thick spine of the blade through the material being cut which creates a lot of friction and makes the knife feel like it's dull or not cutting well.
 
Carbon-V, a high carbon proprietary knife steel. Mostly a marketing term applied to the steel by the manufacturer.

J
 
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