Cop Bob
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Humm,, I cannot speak for NJ, nor the decisions of the NJ Supreme Court . Although it is clear that they are less than "Right Minded". You can take that as leaning a wee bit to the left, or completely out of their minds.. at least to the thinking, training, and experience of this old Texas boy...
Non-Lethal, or Less than Lethal is open for interpretation..
True people have died from tasers, people have had their heart stopped by a solid punch to the chest..
As stated, once they have you down, you are totally helpless...
The only circumstance where someone would be pulling a "less than lethal" weapon on someone, would be to... 1. Stop an aggression against them... or #2. to commit a felony... Robbery, rape, etc....
Under Texas Law... your good... If you can honestly state, and the physical evidence supports it... that you were in fear for your life, or imminent serious bodily injury...
The weapon pulled on you need not be that specfic, such as a taser... etc.. it is more judged "By the manner of its intended use" .. In other words,, if someone were to push you up against a wall or into a corner, then put a Bic Pen to your throat... Is that a weapon? Is it capable of causing death or serious bodily injury? Ahh.. Yeah!!!
Meeting force, with equal force flies in the face of all that is right... I go back to the old edict, "If your in a fair fight, your tactics suck"... As stated, police officers are not required to meet force with equal force... if they did, it would be a very loosing proposition.. as most are, over weight, out of shape, carrying more weight and equipment, and are generally older, if not twice the age of their average opponent... Nor are they high on drugs or impervious to pain...
Or as we used to say in the training courses for Pepper Spray,,, "Pepper Spray only works 100% of the time on Police Officers....", on Crack Heads about 20% of the time. Choose when and where you use this carefully... and if you hose some joker down, he is going in YOUR car, not mine"
This is one of those threads that can go on forever, whatta woulda coulda....
Sam1911, Kleanbore, and lemaymiami all pretty well nailed it...
If your scared, say your scared... and tell em if your scare me bad enough I will kill you... No reasonable DA will try and push it too hard... but the facts and evidence had BETTER be there... Unless your in New Jersey, or New York.... Heck, in Texas we would have pinned a medal on Benard Getz.....
Everything come into play, weather, neighborhood, age, size weight, lighting, number of people around, involved... and you had better be able to articulate your self.... Justification is one thing, articulation, another thing all together... You can be right as rain, but if you can't communicate your justifications.. your dead in the water..
Non-Lethal, or Less than Lethal is open for interpretation..
True people have died from tasers, people have had their heart stopped by a solid punch to the chest..
As stated, once they have you down, you are totally helpless...
The only circumstance where someone would be pulling a "less than lethal" weapon on someone, would be to... 1. Stop an aggression against them... or #2. to commit a felony... Robbery, rape, etc....
Under Texas Law... your good... If you can honestly state, and the physical evidence supports it... that you were in fear for your life, or imminent serious bodily injury...
The weapon pulled on you need not be that specfic, such as a taser... etc.. it is more judged "By the manner of its intended use" .. In other words,, if someone were to push you up against a wall or into a corner, then put a Bic Pen to your throat... Is that a weapon? Is it capable of causing death or serious bodily injury? Ahh.. Yeah!!!
Meeting force, with equal force flies in the face of all that is right... I go back to the old edict, "If your in a fair fight, your tactics suck"... As stated, police officers are not required to meet force with equal force... if they did, it would be a very loosing proposition.. as most are, over weight, out of shape, carrying more weight and equipment, and are generally older, if not twice the age of their average opponent... Nor are they high on drugs or impervious to pain...
Or as we used to say in the training courses for Pepper Spray,,, "Pepper Spray only works 100% of the time on Police Officers....", on Crack Heads about 20% of the time. Choose when and where you use this carefully... and if you hose some joker down, he is going in YOUR car, not mine"
This is one of those threads that can go on forever, whatta woulda coulda....
Sam1911, Kleanbore, and lemaymiami all pretty well nailed it...
If your scared, say your scared... and tell em if your scare me bad enough I will kill you... No reasonable DA will try and push it too hard... but the facts and evidence had BETTER be there... Unless your in New Jersey, or New York.... Heck, in Texas we would have pinned a medal on Benard Getz.....
Everything come into play, weather, neighborhood, age, size weight, lighting, number of people around, involved... and you had better be able to articulate your self.... Justification is one thing, articulation, another thing all together... You can be right as rain, but if you can't communicate your justifications.. your dead in the water..
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