Senseless Tragedy in MN

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This guy was batting a thousand on the "things not to do" scale, and while I can understand having compassion for him over the loss of his son, I absolutely think that he should be charged with manslaughter at a minimum.

He killed a person. Despite the fact that it was his son and he undoubtedly feels horrible about it, he should be punished for killing another person due to his own stupidity and recklessness.

I feel bad for the guy and his family, but come on--he's out poaching and trespassing, leaving an eight year old kid unattended in the field, and then he shoots at and kills an unidentified target, who, horribly, happened to be another person. No way should this guy walk without legal punishment.
 
hahah, apparently i stirred a few of you up quite a bit. You guys obviously didn't grow up where i did. we used to go coon hunting in the middle of the night and carry a cooler with beer in it and drink all night. we never shot each other, we never even tripped over a branch. it all depends on how you can control your buzz. now i don't know if this guy was piss drunk and stoned out of his mind, and yes, it was wrong for him to do that while with his 8 year old son. Its different when your with buddies and by the long list of things that he did do wrong i can probably gather that hes not a very intelligent guy to begin with. but to say that he deserves the death penalty! thats just stupid. he didn't purposely shoot his son. it was an ACCIDENT. not premeditated murder.
 
If he is looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary- right between s**t and syphillus.
He went to the field, with drugs and alcohol in his system, and then proceeded to break every other safety rule in the book.

Go directly to jail-do not pass go. My prayers and sympathies are with the boy and his mother, as well as any siblings.

Strong words? Maybe, but I stand by them. Drugs+guns+alcohol don't mix. Ever.
 
Dennis, that is the whole bloody point! This clown wasn't in CONTROL!

I'm going to hazard a guess here, but I'll bet you think it's ok to have a few when you're driving as well, don't you?
 
... a shame.

(Also a shame that something as harmless as pot is so
harshly discrimated against, while you can have hicap semiautos.)

why would you have your son with u when u plan on
getting stoned & drunk and do Turkey shooting like beavis&butthead?

complete idiot.
 
Idiot !!!!! What A Total, Complete Idiot! The S.o.b. Needs To Be Shot To Death!!! Slowly, With At Least 200 Rounds! Start By Shooting Off Toes, Then Fingers, Well, You Get The Picture. All The While, Having A Life Sized Poster Of His Son In Front Of Him.
 
he didn't purposely shoot his son. it was an ACCIDENT. not premeditated murder.

You have absolutely no way to know if this is true or not. So far, all we have is the story of the killer as to how the events took place. Did he really shoot the boy because he thought the boy was a turkey or because he was in a drunken rage? Maybe he just wanted it to look like a hunting accident and thought the whole grieving father trajedy would keep him out of jail.

Since he blew .06 3 hours after the incident and given that he weighs probably 150-200 lbs, then he had at least 5-6 beers in him at the time of the shooting. Not only was he just buzzed, but well over legally drunk level for driving.
 
I live in MN and we are talking about this guy at work. What a needless loss of live.
 
A completely avoidable incident. The man needs to go to prison for a LONG time, I have no smpathy for him in the least. What truly amazes
me more than anything is people who consider themselves gun savy trying to justify having a few drinks before or during any firearm related activity. This was not an accident. It is idiots like this that make it tough for gun owners and hunters at the higher end of the gene pool.
 
I'm sure this "loving" father is SOOOOO remorseful we should give him a pass on this one. I mean he loved his son so much he took him out turkey poaching, drunk, high, with more beer for the drive home, lost track of his kid WHILE drunk and high and handling a loaded weapon, fired at an unknown target, and killed his own kid.
I love my kids. Enough so that I would NEVER have risked my kids safety for one second doing ANY of the stupid crap this moron did. Prison is no less that than he deserves. Although given a few years in prison, he'll dry up, sober up, find Jesus, and he'll think of how it was a good thing he shot his kid so he could find Jesus. (I'm not even joking. I see this all the time.)
 
If we use this logic, every person who is drunk and driving and is convicted of vehicular homicide shouldn't receive any more stringent of a sentence over someone who was sober and truly in an accident.

Not quite. People who are driving and negligently kill someone else are still punished with negligent homicide. Even if they're sober.



I'm sure this "loving" father is SOOOOO remorseful we should give him a pass on this one.

Interesting. Maybe I honestly missed a post, but I don't recall ANYONE in this thread thinking we should give this guy a pass.

I think most of the bickering is over what people think the guy's punishment should be, not whether or not the guy should be punished at all.

And of course, the continued demonization of inanimate objects...
 
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I agree with the above posters that is a tragedy but i have to disgree that this is reasonable punishment. I think he needs to go to jail. Killing an innocent is not unpunishible due to the fact that it was his son.

My prayers to out to the family.
 
Double Naught Spy--What I was saying was that to me, the drugs and alcohol were irrelevant. He shot his son because he did not ID his target. plain and simple, and I suspect that stone sober, he would STILL have fired without ID'ng his target, and his son would still be dead.


P95loser-
If we use this logic, every person who is drunk and driving and is convicted of vehicular homicide shouldn't receive any more stringent of a sentence over someone who was sober and truly in an accident.

What I was saying, was that he should be charged with negligent homicide, as the charge reflects his NEGLIGENCE. this was no accident. he fired without ID'ng his target, which is negligence, not an accident. As above, I think he would have done the exact same thing stone sober.Negligent homicide reflects his negligence (its in the name), manslaughter does not. Where did I say it was an accident, and that he should get charged as if it were one? where do I say he should not get a greater charge than someone who had an genuine, uncontrollable accident? I'm pretty sure negligent homicide is a greater charge than manslaughter. Even if it technically is a lesser charge, it's more fitting by definition, and I'll bet that the max sentence for negligent homicide is pretty equal to sentence for manslaughter, thus, I'm in no way advocating he get a lesser punishment as if it were an accident.
I said
he was stupid, and reckless, and careless, and his son paid with his life, and he will pay with the memory of it forever, no matter what a judge does.Sadly, he isnt the first, and wont be the last, regardless of pot, or alcohol or anything. reckless is just reckless, doesnt matter why. We say not to blame the guns when someone gets shot, so we cant blame the drugs or the alcohol either.
Note words like "reckless", and "careless". Neither of those implies "accident", nor does it say he isnt directly responsible for what he did.It wasnt because he was drinking, or because he smoked pot.It was because he not ID his target before firing. that simple, end of story.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion on my earlier post. I am NOT saying drinking and/or drug use while hunting/shooting is ok. Just saying if you shout at shapes and noise, it doesnt matter if you are stone sober or not, you may still kill someone.I just want the blame layed where it belongs. on the man who didnt follow safety rules, not on drugs or alcohol. they are no excuse for what he did, and I think he would have done the same thing without them.
 
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Maybe not, but it does help - combine mind-altering substances with a low IQ and poor judgement - that's a recipe for disaster.
Nope. they ceratinly are a recipe for disaster, especially in that combo. I dont dispute that one bit. Thats why drinking and drugs while shooting IS a very bad idea, it increases the odds. In this case, based on the fact he was poaching, left his 8 year old unattended in the woods, and ADMITS he fired without IDing the target, I think it shows the guy was a careless, negligent moron, who would have still taken the shot stone sober. Idiot would likely have killed his poor kid regardless of being drunk and/or possibly stoned.
 
If he was smoking pot while hunting with his kid, this was just begging to happen. Whether or not he gets any meaningful sentence, he will never get over what he did to his innocent boy.
you know, that is not always the case. some "druggies" just really don't give a da^^ about anything like that. they are just plain screwed up! i know some people like that personally. i do not associate with them, they are exrended in laws. think about it, there are fathers who rape their own kids. some people are just trash. i am not saying this guy is. but he did about the stupidest thingt you can do.
 
Interesting. Maybe I honestly missed a post, but I don't recall ANYONE in this thread thinking we should give this guy a pass.

I think most of the bickering is over what people think the guy's punishment should be, not whether or not the guy should be punished at all.
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I feel like he already received enough punishment by watching his son die. I can't think of anything worse.
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thats bull**** that hes charged with manslaughter. It was an accident.

This is what I was referencing.
 
Double Naught Spy--What I was saying was that to me, the drugs and alcohol were irrelevant. He shot his son because he did not ID his target. plain and simple, and I suspect that stone sober, he would STILL have fired without ID'ng his target, and his son would still be dead.

With that said, we still don't know if he actually committed a murder or not. The story is still limited to what is being reported that the shooter claimed occurred. The guy killed his son after committing a variety of illegal acts. I don't put a lot of credibility into his story as to what happened.

Come on, a drunk, stoner, trespasser, and poacher who just killed his own kid isn't likely to be a fully honest individual and come clean on things, is he?
 
Well, if the facts as reported are correct, all I can now say is hand him high (no pun intended).

Anyone else who thinks it is okay to have a few beers, smoke a joint, or anything along those lines and then go out poaching and trespassing has, in my opinion, less then a rational outlook on the subject.

By the way, due to the felony charge with which he was charged, he can possibly also be charged with felony murder and not just second-degree manslaughter. Felony murder is a charge that can be made when you kill someone in the commission of a felony whether you intended to kill someone or not. For example, you rob a bank, and in getting away you cause a car accident that kills an old lady. The charge could well be felony murder not manslaughter.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Plus he had 17 empty beer cans in his truck, according to the news, I'm from Mn. and have been following this closely.
Floydster
 
The marijuana in his system could be as much as 30+ days old. I'll wait for the test results to come back before passing judgment on that part.

As to the rest, he deserves whatever punishment he receives in addition to the grief he'll have to live with.
 
MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE

Manslaughter in the second degree is defined as the unlawful killing of a human being without malice either express or implied, and without intent to kill or to inflict the injury causing death, committed accidentally in the commission of some unlawful act not felonious, or in the improper performance of an act lawful in itself.
- from http://www.law.ua.edu/colquitt/crimmain/crimmisc/jurymur.htm

Dennis, sounds to me like it fits perfectly. You really don't have a defensible argument here...
 
maybe someone can explain o me why people drink while hunting? Every time I go hunting i find a few piles of fresh beer cans. Even in places where you literally have to crawl through mud on your stomach to reach, i find beer cans.

If you want to drink, go to the bar.

hahah, apparently i stirred a few of you up quite a bit. You guys obviously didn't grow up where i did. we used to go coon hunting in the middle of the night and carry a cooler with beer in it and drink all night. we never shot each other, we never even tripped over a branch. it all depends on how you can control your buzz. now i don't know if this guy was piss drunk and stoned out of his mind, and yes, it was wrong for him to do that while with his 8 year old son. Its different when your with buddies and by the long list of things that he did do wrong i can probably gather that hes not a very intelligent guy to begin with. but to say that he deserves the death penalty! thats just stupid. he didn't purposely shoot his son. it was an ACCIDENT. not premeditated murder.

Go to a popular bar on a Friday night and don't drink anything. look at all the other people that think they are "controlling their buzz". Even if your not acting "piss drunk", your mind can still be affected. Doing this sort of thing "with buddies" is even more RETARDED. yea, instead of one guy drunk in the woods with a gun, lets make it a guy and all his buddies all drunk in the woods with guns. Thats SO much better. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah. One of my friends in the Marine Corps thought drinking and shooting was cool too. That is until one of his drunken "friends" accidentally shot him in the face with a 9mm. The bullet entered his mouth and shattered his spine killing him on the spot. Drinking and shooting is STUPID. I did stupid things as a kid too, that doesn't mean they aren't still stupid. I agree with Mr. Trooper. If you want to drink, than drink, if you want to shoot, go shooting. There is no excuse for mixing the two.
 
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