Shooting an enraged, bipolar NFL player

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Shot by police, Robbins charged with attempted murder

By CATHERINE WILSON, Associated Press Writer
January 19, 2005
MIAMI (AP) -- Former Oakland Raiders center Barret Robbins was charged Wednesday with three counts of attempted felony murder, less than a week after being shot during a furious struggle with three police officers investigating a burglary call.

Robbins is best remembered for missing team meetings the night before the 2003 Super Bowl in San Diego. He spent Super Bowl Sunday in a hospital and later acknowledged that he had stopped taking his medicine for depression and bipolar disorder.

He was wounded Saturday night after Miami Beach police found him inside a women's restroom in a building housing a pub, a gym and a jewelry store. The pub owner called police after Robbins forced his way inside the building and refused to leave, a police report said.


Robbins, 31, of Englewood, Colo., growled, snarled and ``was heard laughing throughout the attack,'' the report said.

According to the report, Robbins beat Officer Colin Pfrogner to the floor, picked up Detective Mark Schoenfeld and slammed him into one wall and then another, then grabbed Detective Mike Muley by the face and rammed his head into a corner.

Robbins then grabbed Muley's forearms, and Muley shot Robbins twice in the torso, the report said. The former player dropped to his knees, grabbed his chest, snarled and growled again, swore at the officers and slapped Muley's gun out of his hand.

A charge of attempted felony murder can be filed when someone is injured during a felony. It carries a possible 30-year prison sentence. The three counts he faces cover the three officers involved in his arrest, said Ed Griffith, spokesman for the Miami-Dade County state attorney's office.

Robbins, who suffers from bipolar disorder and alcoholism, also was charged with two felony counts of attempting to deprive an officer of his weapon, two felony counts of resisting an officer with violence and misdemeanor trespassing. The felony counts carry possible five-year sentences.

Arraignment was set for Feb. 9.

Robbins was critically injured and remains in a Miami hospital jail unit, Griffith said. Muley received hospital treatment for a concussion.

Prosecutors listed Robbins at 6-foot-4 and 380 pounds. The Raiders listed him at 6-3, 315 pounds before his release from the team.

Robbins was arrested last month in San Francisco for hitting a security guard at a nightclub. He was cut by the Raiders last July after testing positive for steroids.

There was no immediate response to calls for comment to Robbins' agent.

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Naw, he doesn't need to be put down. He's sick... He has a disease. He needs to go to the hospital for a couple of years until he's ready to rejoin the general populace. It's not like he actually tried to kill anyone... :scrutiny:
 
Another example of professional athletes out of control. Further confirmation of why I no longer watch pro sports.......
 
Denver Smith of the Indiana University football team took 5 .357 rounds to the chest and he still fought the Bloomington (Indiana) Police Department until he bleed out. :uhoh:

Further reason to roll eyes in gun shoppe when you hear the infamous phrase "it's all you need." :rolleyes:
 
He's bipolar, for Pete's sake. Roid rage?
:rolleyes:

I guess it was roid rage that made him have manic and depressive episodes the week of the Super Bowl and skip the team meetings, right? And he was hospitalized for roid rage.
 
This would be a disparity of force, pretty much no matter who you are.
 
His wife/mother/sister (can't remember which) was quoted as saying he had one round through his heart and another puncture his lungs. Sounds like pretty good shot placement but still didn't stop him.
 
I'd be interested in knowing what the police were using. ANybody have a way to find that out?
 
It's an unfortunate incident, but it is his fault for not taking his medication. :scrutiny:
This is why the 10mm is my favorite self defense caliber, followed by .45acp, .357 magnum, and .44 special.
 
This guy makes me want to start carrying a 10 mm. I don't think I would want to have to use a 9mm on him. He would probably laugh it off and keep going. As close as they were I think I would have shot him in the face. That would slow him down for sure.
 
"Dropped for steroid use"....

Doesn't the abuse of steroids cause mental problems like mania/depression, schizophrenia etc. ???

Anyway as far as that goes he's just another nut job. So what if he's an ex-NFL player? He isn't one now?
 
"So what if he's an ex-NFL player? "

To me, that is a very important part of the story. Even more important is the fact that he played on the offensive line. This gives you a very good picture of how big this guy is and tells you that he was so good at throwing around other real big guys that he made a living at it.
 
I hope I'm never confronted by a huge raging guy like that. A head shot seems like the only way to stop him quickly.
 
There are no magic bullets....Repeat after me..There are no magic bullets...

Until we come up with a 90mm recoiless rifle that's light enough for duty use, you can forget about carrying enough gun for every threat you might encounter...I say again, there are no magic bullets....

Jeff
 
im a college football player at teh d1aa level. yea he was out of control, but its an awful realization to face that thats how a lot of people need to be to compete at that level. NOT everyone can be stable and compete at that level of competition. my experience with high caliber college and nfl level athletes is most of them are depressed, dont particularly enjoy what they are doing and are some of teh most beaten down people you'll ever meet. im on a full scholarship, and i hate football. i would never play again if i had teh choice. but the pressure to perform from coaches and fans presses a lot of guys to crack.

im not justifying what this guy did. hes a sick sick man. moreso im just saying that though he'd still be screwed up, the nature of his profession didnt help unwind him.

call me crazy but i woulda tried tazing him. you can deal with a wound, but involuntary muscle convulsions is hard to overcome. if he tries to fight them he'll tear his muscles in half.

could be wrong but its a theory
 
Jeff, what about the Barrett Military Model XM109 Semi Automatic 4 Round 25MM Payload Rifle? I bet that is enough gun ;)
 
im a college football player at teh d1aa level. yea he was out of control, but its an awful realization to face that thats how a lot of people need to be to compete at that level. NOT everyone can be stable and compete at that level of competition. my experience with high caliber college and nfl level athletes is most of them are depressed, dont particularly enjoy what they are doing and are some of teh most beaten down people you'll ever meet. im on a full scholarship, and i hate football. i would never play again if i had teh choice. but the pressure to perform from coaches and fans presses a lot of guys to crack.

im not justifying what this guy did. hes a sick sick man. moreso im just saying that though he'd still be screwed up, the nature of his profession didnt help unwind him.

call me crazy but i woulda tried tazing him. you can deal with a wound, but involuntary muscle convulsions is hard to overcome. if he tries to fight them he'll tear his muscles in half.

could be wrong but its a theory

That's a very good post! As a 6'6" 290 pound all league HS senior, comments such as this saved me from wasting life on football. I want to be able to play catch with my kids some day.
 
Regardless of the cause(s) of Mr. Robbins' mental problems, I think the responding officers were very lucky. Mr. Robbins is worst case scenario come to life. It’s a wonder someone wasn’t killed. I wonder how bad the officers’ injuries are.


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