Shooting other calibers in a Moisin Nagant?
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ccsniper
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I actually have seen a torture test with a ruger 77 in 30 06 shooting everything from 7/08 to .270. they will chamber, and they will fire. The only problem the gun had was it eventually locked up and no longer chambered ammo.
Ed Harris
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You guys listen to too much barracks Bravo Sierra.
While military specification 7.62 NATO ammunition will fire and function normally as an emergency expedient in the M1 Garand rifle, the BAR and M1919 Browning machinegun (because that was part of its design requirement), using it willy-nilly in sporting firearms is NOT recommended.
As for firing ammunition of ANY other caliber in the 7.62x54R Russian rifles this is not recommended ever. While the NATO round may feed and the Nagant exrtractor hold it against the boltface and fire it, the undersized case will burst in the oversized chamber with extreme risk of injury to the shooter.
What DOES work is to get one of the .32 cal. sub-caliber adapters from The Sportsman's Guide, which enables you to fire .32 ACP or .32 S&W Long ammunition for low noise practice. I have these for my Tula M91/30 and also for my Cdn. Long Branch No. 4 in .303 and they work fine, set the battlesight at 500 yards/meters to strike point of aim at 25 yards. They group about an inch at 25 yards and are almost silent, OK for small game and plinking.
I caution that the adapters they offer for .308 Win. and .30-'06 DID NOT WORK for me, as their dimensional control is poor and the adapters are oversized and won't go into the chambers, and will get stuck if you force them! These gadgets are best for mil-surp rifles with sloppy chambers, not sporting or target rifles.
While military specification 7.62 NATO ammunition will fire and function normally as an emergency expedient in the M1 Garand rifle, the BAR and M1919 Browning machinegun (because that was part of its design requirement), using it willy-nilly in sporting firearms is NOT recommended.
As for firing ammunition of ANY other caliber in the 7.62x54R Russian rifles this is not recommended ever. While the NATO round may feed and the Nagant exrtractor hold it against the boltface and fire it, the undersized case will burst in the oversized chamber with extreme risk of injury to the shooter.
What DOES work is to get one of the .32 cal. sub-caliber adapters from The Sportsman's Guide, which enables you to fire .32 ACP or .32 S&W Long ammunition for low noise practice. I have these for my Tula M91/30 and also for my Cdn. Long Branch No. 4 in .303 and they work fine, set the battlesight at 500 yards/meters to strike point of aim at 25 yards. They group about an inch at 25 yards and are almost silent, OK for small game and plinking.
I caution that the adapters they offer for .308 Win. and .30-'06 DID NOT WORK for me, as their dimensional control is poor and the adapters are oversized and won't go into the chambers, and will get stuck if you force them! These gadgets are best for mil-surp rifles with sloppy chambers, not sporting or target rifles.
Ed Harris
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You guys listen to too much barracks Bravo Sierra.
While military specification 7.62 NATO ammunition will fire and function normally as an emergency expedient in the M1 Garand rifle, the BAR and M1919 Browning machinegun (because that was part of its design requirement), using it willy-nilly in sporting firearms is NOT recommended.
As for firing ammunition of ANY other caliber in the 7.62x54R Russian rifles this is not recommended ever. While the NATO round may feed and the Nagant exrtractor hold it against the boltface and fire it, the undersized case will burst in the oversized chamber with extreme risk of injury to the shooter.
What DOES work is to get one of the .32 cal. sub-caliber adapters from The Sportsman's Guide, which enables you to fire .32 ACP or .32 S&W Long ammunition for low noise practice. I have these for my Tula M91/30 and also for my Cdn. Long Branch No. 4 in .303 and they work fine, set the battlesight at 500 yards/meters to strike point of aim at 25 yards. They group about an inch at 25 yards and are almost silent, OK for small game and plinking.
I caution that the adapters they offer for .308 Win. and .30-'06 DID NOT WORK for me, as their dimensional control is poor and the adapters are oversized and won't go into the chambers, and will get stuck if you force them! These gadgets are best for mil-surp rifles with sloppy chambers, not sporting or target rifles.
While military specification 7.62 NATO ammunition will fire and function normally as an emergency expedient in the M1 Garand rifle, the BAR and M1919 Browning machinegun (because that was part of its design requirement), using it willy-nilly in sporting firearms is NOT recommended.
As for firing ammunition of ANY other caliber in the 7.62x54R Russian rifles this is not recommended ever. While the NATO round may feed and the Nagant exrtractor hold it against the boltface and fire it, the undersized case will burst in the oversized chamber with extreme risk of injury to the shooter.
What DOES work is to get one of the .32 cal. sub-caliber adapters from The Sportsman's Guide, which enables you to fire .32 ACP or .32 S&W Long ammunition for low noise practice. I have these for my Tula M91/30 and also for my Cdn. Long Branch No. 4 in .303 and they work fine, set the battlesight at 500 yards/meters to strike point of aim at 25 yards. They group about an inch at 25 yards and are almost silent, OK for small game and plinking.
I caution that the adapters they offer for .308 Win. and .30-'06 DID NOT WORK for me, as their dimensional control is poor and the adapters are oversized and won't go into the chambers, and will get stuck if you force them! These gadgets are best for mil-surp rifles with sloppy chambers, not sporting or target rifles.
Ditchtiger
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A .308 will fire in a Mosin, I saw it happen. The guy didn't know he had done it until the case would not come out. After knocking the case out we found it to be a .308, expanded a little bit but uncracked.
wgaynor
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They make single shot cartridge adapters that would get the job done (some call them chamber inserts). Being that their single shots doesn't make them very effective in a SHTF scenario.
John Wayne
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IIRC the "Russians could use our ammo" thing applied to mortars, not small arms. I don't know the exact dimensions but it was something like if our mortars fired 82mm rounds, the Russians were 83mm in diameter. Their rounds wouldn't fit ours, but ours would fit well enough to at least fire in their mortars.
I don't know of any instance where this actually happened though.
I don't know of any instance where this actually happened though.
Thanks to all of you that provided some really good information. I posted this same thread on www.goldismoney.info and got some decent answers too.
So what prompted this thread? I finished reading "The Road" in which the main character is slowly starving and freezing while trying to survive a nuclear winter with his son. They are poorly armed (as are most of the survivors) and as a gun owner the story definately gets you thinking about what works when you are down to your last couple of rounds. "The Road" should be at the theaters sometime over the next year. I'm sure it will provoke a lot of SHTF threads.
For those that provided the great info....thank you.
For those with the useless smartass comments....had you read all of the way through the massive original 6 sentence post you would have seen, "I have no intent to try this." I know....it was 6 sentences. Who has the time to fully read a thread before putting useless snide comments on them.
So what prompted this thread? I finished reading "The Road" in which the main character is slowly starving and freezing while trying to survive a nuclear winter with his son. They are poorly armed (as are most of the survivors) and as a gun owner the story definately gets you thinking about what works when you are down to your last couple of rounds. "The Road" should be at the theaters sometime over the next year. I'm sure it will provoke a lot of SHTF threads.
For those that provided the great info....thank you.
For those with the useless smartass comments....had you read all of the way through the massive original 6 sentence post you would have seen, "I have no intent to try this." I know....it was 6 sentences. Who has the time to fully read a thread before putting useless snide comments on them.
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We already have far too many SHTF threads on this board. Far too many.
Not trying to be snarky, but a little bit of searching will turn up quite a lot of information.
Your best bet is to have a large stockpile of ammunition of your own, and to own some firearms chambered in common calibers. For example, I stick with 9mm, .30-30, 7.62x54R, .22LR, .223/5.56, 12 guage, .357Mag and .38spcl. I've got my bases covered for the common calibers, I think.
You could, taking this to the extreme, buy an H&R handi rifle or Thompson Center rifle and have a selection of barrels in different calibers. Expensive, but doable. They'd be single shot. There are also various combo packs of these single shot rifles/shotguns...I've seen like 20 gauge, .22 LR combos and I think even 3 caliber combos.
Not trying to be snarky, but a little bit of searching will turn up quite a lot of information.
Your best bet is to have a large stockpile of ammunition of your own, and to own some firearms chambered in common calibers. For example, I stick with 9mm, .30-30, 7.62x54R, .22LR, .223/5.56, 12 guage, .357Mag and .38spcl. I've got my bases covered for the common calibers, I think.
You could, taking this to the extreme, buy an H&R handi rifle or Thompson Center rifle and have a selection of barrels in different calibers. Expensive, but doable. They'd be single shot. There are also various combo packs of these single shot rifles/shotguns...I've seen like 20 gauge, .22 LR combos and I think even 3 caliber combos.
Maverick223
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I think .308Win./7.62NATO would fire in a 7.62x54R just fine, I wouldn't be afraid to fire it one bit...dependent upon a couple of factors...who owned the rifle...and how long the string was. 
^That'd be a joke kids...please don't try it.
^That'd be a joke kids...please don't try it.
Carl N. Brown
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Brimic (post #23?) has a nic set of photos to illustrate this.
That photo of a .308 casing after firing in a .30-06 chamber ought to make any one stop and think.
The base of a .308 is .019" undersized for a 7.62x54R chamber, and in a high power rifle with pressures in th 40,000 to 50,000 psi range, that is too sloppy.
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[SIZE="4"] .308 Win .30-06 Spg 7.62 Russian
7.62x51mm 7.62.63mm 7.62x54R
Rim diameter: .473 in. .473 in. .570 in.
Base diameter: .470 " .470 " .489 "
Shoulder dia.: .454 " .441 " .458 "
Case length: 2.015 " 2.494 " 2.050 "[/SIZE]The base of a .308 is .019" undersized for a 7.62x54R chamber, and in a high power rifle with pressures in th 40,000 to 50,000 psi range, that is too sloppy.
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