Desert Dog
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Church? What's that? 
Shooting Practice v. Religion
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Double Naught Spy
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Contrary to the title of this thread, the issue is not about shooting practice versus religion, but shooting practice versus scheduled obligations of your fellow shooters.
Whether church-related or not, there are always going to be scheduling conflicts. If you want to shoot with these co-workers so badly and they all have church obligations or belief-based reasons for needing to attend church, then you need to consider that maybe the problem is NOT with your coworkers but you. In the given situation, you are the minority. A better question to ask would be why you are unwilling to make concessions for all of the coworkers but expect them to make concessions for you.
If you are wanting to shoot on Sunday with friends, then you need to find friends that either don't attend church on Sundays or maybe those who attend evening services and not the morning services that would conflict with shooting events.
Lumping the guy who was meeting with his pastor in the group of conflicted church goers seems unreasonable. It didn't matter who he was meeting with or the affiliation. The guy had an appointment. It is as simple as that. I could just as well have been a doctor's appointment.
Whether church-related or not, there are always going to be scheduling conflicts. If you want to shoot with these co-workers so badly and they all have church obligations or belief-based reasons for needing to attend church, then you need to consider that maybe the problem is NOT with your coworkers but you. In the given situation, you are the minority. A better question to ask would be why you are unwilling to make concessions for all of the coworkers but expect them to make concessions for you.
If you are wanting to shoot on Sunday with friends, then you need to find friends that either don't attend church on Sundays or maybe those who attend evening services and not the morning services that would conflict with shooting events.
Lumping the guy who was meeting with his pastor in the group of conflicted church goers seems unreasonable. It didn't matter who he was meeting with or the affiliation. The guy had an appointment. It is as simple as that. I could just as well have been a doctor's appointment.
Scott Evans
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VaughnT
They don’t want to shoot Sundays because they would rather be in church … and you have a problem with that !? Unbelievable!
Is it any wonder they have better friends elsewhere?
I hear your reasoning of “need to train†and agree that we all should prepare but in this context you simply come across as a selfish whiner.
The answer is simple: If you care for these people make other arrangements out of respect for who they are and what they hold dear, such as is common among friends of differing faiths. Don’t look for some doctrinal twist in their faith to pull them from what they would rather do.
SC like NC abounds with ranges and matches every Saturday & Sunday. Locally we even have a Thursday night shoot every week. They can train and make church if they really want to. Your presence or Sunday morning matches are not required for them to train.
They don’t want to shoot Sundays because they would rather be in church … and you have a problem with that !? Unbelievable!
Is it any wonder they have better friends elsewhere?
I hear your reasoning of “need to train†and agree that we all should prepare but in this context you simply come across as a selfish whiner.
The answer is simple: If you care for these people make other arrangements out of respect for who they are and what they hold dear, such as is common among friends of differing faiths. Don’t look for some doctrinal twist in their faith to pull them from what they would rather do.
SC like NC abounds with ranges and matches every Saturday & Sunday. Locally we even have a Thursday night shoot every week. They can train and make church if they really want to. Your presence or Sunday morning matches are not required for them to train.
braindead0
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It seems that Sunday has become shooting day for many clubs, mine included (except when it conflict with Easter).
I routinely take friends out on Saturday, setup a few IDPA targets and make a mini COF. You don't have to be a club to shoot or practice.
I routinely take friends out on Saturday, setup a few IDPA targets and make a mini COF. You don't have to be a club to shoot or practice.
VaughnT
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Calm down, gentlemen.
This isn't a question of wanting anybody to quit going to church or break appointments.
I am more than willing to compromise and have done so continually. Just this last tuesday, I went to the range with a supervisor and we had a great time.....now he wants to make it a regularly scheduled event. I'm cool with that. He has to work from 1400 to close so just comes in a few hours early (the club is just a few miles from our base) and I drive almost an hour to take him shooting on my day off.
The responses to my original post have opened my eyes and educated me. That was the reason for asking the question in the first place.
I was surprised by the hostility received from church-goers over the idea that one sunday, every now and then, could be missed. But more important than that is the pervasive idea that there really isn't any need to practice.
I guess that's what really burns me up, and I've seen in a lot of cops as well as the guys at work. There just isn't any sense that you might need the gun and, therefore, no need to practice with it. Everyone knows they are going to die and they want to prepare for it by getting good with God.
That's cool. It's just different from my viewpoint.
This isn't a question of wanting anybody to quit going to church or break appointments.
I am more than willing to compromise and have done so continually. Just this last tuesday, I went to the range with a supervisor and we had a great time.....now he wants to make it a regularly scheduled event. I'm cool with that. He has to work from 1400 to close so just comes in a few hours early (the club is just a few miles from our base) and I drive almost an hour to take him shooting on my day off.
The responses to my original post have opened my eyes and educated me. That was the reason for asking the question in the first place.
I was surprised by the hostility received from church-goers over the idea that one sunday, every now and then, could be missed. But more important than that is the pervasive idea that there really isn't any need to practice.
I guess that's what really burns me up, and I've seen in a lot of cops as well as the guys at work. There just isn't any sense that you might need the gun and, therefore, no need to practice with it. Everyone knows they are going to die and they want to prepare for it by getting good with God.
That's cool. It's just different from my viewpoint.
Owen
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IDPA on Saturday
VaughnT,
Mid Carolina Rifle club has IDPA matches on Saturdays.
Mid Carolina Rifle Club
VaughnT,
Mid Carolina Rifle club has IDPA matches on Saturdays.
Mid Carolina Rifle Club
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