Paul Gomez
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Shooting the Bad Guy Off of Your Gun...And Other Stuff
Here's the latest YouTube upload. Hope ya'll enjoy!
Here's the latest YouTube upload. Hope ya'll enjoy!
Shooting the Bad Guy Off Your Gun & Other Stuff
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7thCavScout
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Good stuff Paul. I really enjoy your training videos, and I ALWAYS learn something new. Keep up the good work my friend!
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Doghandler
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Great stuff, Paul!
That high thumb indexing technique works great for snubbies too! Come to think of it, all my snubby work is with the thumb high.
That high thumb indexing technique works great for snubbies too! Come to think of it, all my snubby work is with the thumb high.
loose noose
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Excellent training video, in fact I'm going to use that on my next Firearms Tactical Training Session.
Paul,
Like the thumb for indexing and to prevent the weapon rolling into the body.
How often do you hear folks in your courses use that phrase actually thinking the movement of the handgun will actually get an attacker to turn loose instead of shooting the attacker to make them turn loose?
Like the thumb for indexing and to prevent the weapon rolling into the body.
How often do you hear folks in your courses use that phrase actually thinking the movement of the handgun will actually get an attacker to turn loose instead of shooting the attacker to make them turn loose?
sonick808
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that's the most info i've received from a training video in that short of a time, ever! Bravo. Good stuff.
Fred Fuller
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If you think he's good on camera, try working with him in person 
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.Al Thompson
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One major (IMHO) issue that raises is that if you are rolling with a bad guy, that grabbed slide now leads you to have to (probably) clear the handgun one handed. 
One major (IMHO) issue that raises is that if you are rolling with a bad guy, that grabbed slide now leads you to have to (probably) clear the handgun one handed.
A solid 2 position makes it very difficult to get any traction on the slide. When unattached and in grasping distance, is effectively a neutral position aside from the fact that one guy has a gun out and is able to use it.
The concern is more if the gun user makes a timing mistake or overextends, his draw can easily be foiled or slide grabbed.
It is kind of like a violent chess game. What one piece on the board (the gun) is doing at a given time may decide the outcome...but what occurs before is ultimately more important and less obvious.
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Paul Gomez
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A truly deep understanding of drawstroke goes a long way to avoiding the issues of having the bad guy's hands on your gun. When we've ingrained the concept of allowing the gun to flow throughout drawstroke based on the environment/range to threat, every thing becomes much easier.
Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for the feedback!
newbuckeye
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Great Video's!
The-Reaver
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That video sold me. I'll give you a Sub. =)
Owen Sparks
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Excelent technique though at that range a good head butt would be in order.
Doghandler
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KO!
I've never seen that high thumb technique, thanks for sharing.
WardenWolf
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In close range, never underestimate the power of your elbow as a weapon. It's the hardest point on the body, and using it against a face should be an absolute last resort short of lethal action due to the potential for permanent damage, up to and including loss of eyes, teeth, broken nose / jaw, and potentially even death. Similar to a bullet, you can't take it back; you are making a choice to possibly permanently change someone's life.
It's important to practice retention positions to avoid having someone get their hand on your gun in the first place. Certain basic martial arts concepts can be combined with firearms training to give you retention positions that allow you to still shoot but also block attempts to get to your firearm. Positioning one arm high and forward in a guard position while standing at an angle and holding your firearm low at your side can at least protect it from being grabbed. You just need basic practice to ensure you won't shoot yourself in the blocking arm while doing this (not hard to avoid, but still something you should work on).
It's important to practice retention positions to avoid having someone get their hand on your gun in the first place. Certain basic martial arts concepts can be combined with firearms training to give you retention positions that allow you to still shoot but also block attempts to get to your firearm. Positioning one arm high and forward in a guard position while standing at an angle and holding your firearm low at your side can at least protect it from being grabbed. You just need basic practice to ensure you won't shoot yourself in the blocking arm while doing this (not hard to avoid, but still something you should work on).
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xXxplosive
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A++............on that one.
Owen Sparks
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I think people can get so caught up in being 'gun fighters' that they become overly dependant on the pistol and forget about all their other weapons. At that range the bad guy is in close striking distance. Prime range for elbows, head butts and a knee to the groin. My first instinct would be to use one of those to knock him back before I went for my pistol. Anyone who has done much wrestling or ju jitsu knows that when the opponant is that close it is a really bad idea to try to reach behind your hip.
There is a world of difference between a gun fighter and a fighter with a gun. A gun fighter only has one weapon.
There is a world of difference between a gun fighter and a fighter with a gun. A gun fighter only has one weapon.
Paul Gomez
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Indeed, Owen. The pistol is not the solution. It is one tool in our repertoire and getting it into play is a much more complicated procedure than a lot of gun folk realize.
One of 'the rules' when it comes to fighting for your life is this: 'Once you start applying pressure to the bad guy, do not stop applying pressure until he ceases attempting to apply pressure to you.'
This may be physical pressure, it may be psychological pressure and it may be ballistic pressure. Often, it is some combination of all three.
One of 'the rules' when it comes to fighting for your life is this: 'Once you start applying pressure to the bad guy, do not stop applying pressure until he ceases attempting to apply pressure to you.'
This may be physical pressure, it may be psychological pressure and it may be ballistic pressure. Often, it is some combination of all three.
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Paul Gomez said:
Excelent!
I have to teach a self-defense class tonight. Mind if I quote you?
Excelent!
I have to teach a self-defense class tonight. Mind if I quote you?
chieftain
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Right answer! Be a fighter, not a gunfighter, the gun is one of a long list of tools that may be applied to the problem. This is about Mindset.
Becareful with contact shots when using a semi auto handgun. Not only the very real possibility of pushing your weapon out of battery, if you do get a contact shot off, there will be 'Guacamole' all over you and on & IN you gun. Many pistols will jam. It is one reason a revolver is superior for the contact shot. Ask me how I know. My experience was military many years ago in WestPac. Work hard at keeping the bad guys further away than that. If you are there, some how your plan failed. Now start applying your defensive tools as necessary, quickly.
I found that in/during CQB that the vertical or horizontal butt stroke from my M14 was the most effective weapon/instrument (our E-Tool was another winner used in this full contact xtreme sport with the blade folded and wielded like a mace or battle-axe.). Never needed much of a follow up with the Butt strokes/E-tool properly applied. Down side was they were too "Darn" close when applied. Usually meant something had not worked out as planned. Either that or the NVA didn't get their copy of the plan. I hated that.
Seems to be some very good training by the OP. Be ready, and get some training so as to shoot well while laying on your back, or stomach/side too. No telling where a fight for your life will take you. Just remember the bad guys never get a copy of your plan , and/or choose to have the unmitigated gall to tyre to live and do it their way. Think of all your training as a box of tools to be applied as required. Generally more tools are a good thing. It's a guy thing.
Good luck.
Fred
I no longer fight the NVA, I now fight the VA.
Becareful with contact shots when using a semi auto handgun. Not only the very real possibility of pushing your weapon out of battery, if you do get a contact shot off, there will be 'Guacamole' all over you and on & IN you gun. Many pistols will jam. It is one reason a revolver is superior for the contact shot. Ask me how I know. My experience was military many years ago in WestPac. Work hard at keeping the bad guys further away than that. If you are there, some how your plan failed. Now start applying your defensive tools as necessary, quickly.
I found that in/during CQB that the vertical or horizontal butt stroke from my M14 was the most effective weapon/instrument (our E-Tool was another winner used in this full contact xtreme sport with the blade folded and wielded like a mace or battle-axe.). Never needed much of a follow up with the Butt strokes/E-tool properly applied. Down side was they were too "Darn" close when applied. Usually meant something had not worked out as planned. Either that or the NVA didn't get their copy of the plan. I hated that.
Seems to be some very good training by the OP. Be ready, and get some training so as to shoot well while laying on your back, or stomach/side too. No telling where a fight for your life will take you. Just remember the bad guys never get a copy of your plan , and/or choose to have the unmitigated gall to tyre to live and do it their way. Think of all your training as a box of tools to be applied as required. Generally more tools are a good thing. It's a guy thing.
Good luck.
Fred
I no longer fight the NVA, I now fight the VA.
Doghandler
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Applying pressure. I like that idea with whatever means your repertoire will allow or spontaneously come up with, however I'll draw the line at head butts and will fight to avoid skull to skull contact as best I can. Just too risky. The guy seeing stars might well be you!
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