Shootout between 2 CCW holders

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Its stuff like this that gives the gun control advocates ammunition. This happened this morning very close to home.

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Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:21 AM EST, February 20, 2008

A road-rage incident in east Orange County this morning between two motorists ended in a high-speed chase and a shootout near an elementary school.

Orange County Sheriff's Office deputies arrested Louis A. Davis, 40, and Victor Vilchez, 44, reports show. Davis was taking his daughters, ages 6 and 11, to school when he started firing at Vilchez. No one was injured in the shooting that ended a few blocks from Chickasaw Elementary School.

Agency spokesman Deputy Carlos Padilla said one driver faces charges of aggravated battery. Charges were not available on the other motorist.

Initial reports show that sometime before 8:20 a.m., Davis was driving his white Honda behind Vilchez's blue and white Econoline van on Egan Drive, just west of Goldenrod Road.

"Davis felt the van was going too slow, so he tried to pass him. But Vilchez started to speed up. Both drivers then started racing down Egan Drive," Padilla said. "When they got to Autumnvale Drive, Davis overtook the van. The driver of the van then rear-ended the Honda."

That's when the bullets started flying.

Davis pulled out a gun, while his daughters were in the vehicle, and started firing rounds at the van. Vilchez pulled out his gun and fired back, deputies said. Davis stopped at a home on Garwood Drive and dropped off his daughters. He then continued to pursue Vilchez through the neighborhood.

Padilla said Davis spotted the van and started to shoot. The van then crashed into a passing vehicle.

Sheriff's reports show that deputies recovered a 45 calibre Taurus semi-automatic and a 38 calibre Keltec automatic. Davis and Vilchez had valid permits to carry a concealed weapon, Padilla said.

The chase and shootout left residents and deputies in shock.

"I saw two deputy cruisers speed by and the deputies yelling, 'Get in! Get in!'," said an eyewitness who was about to drop her daughter off at school.

Deputies called the high-speed chase and shootout "unbelievable."

"This is a residential street with pedestrian traffic. It's a nice neighborhood with kids and families," Padilla said. "Even in law-enforcement, this is quite shocking to us."
 
Davis and Vilchez had valid permits to carry a concealed weapon, Padilla said.
Not anymore. And they probably have shiny new jail cells. Those that don't have the self control lose their permit, freedom, or life.
There is no group of people on earth that doesn't have a few bad apples in it. Bad PR though.
 
He then continued to pursue Vilchez through the neighborhood.
Wow. Just wow.

There's a lot of stuff that indicates that both of these guys are less-than-intelligent about carrying, but...good grief. Road rage and such isn't enough, one of 'em had to pursue the other to keep things going?

Sad...
 
Unfortunately there are always the bad apples. Wasn't it just last week or so that two cops were shooting at each other?
 
That whole thing was beyond DUMB. This dude Davis starts a gun fight with his daughters in the car? Agreed these two ambassadors are an anti's wet dream. You can't make this stuff up.
 
In the video they interview one of the guys and he says he was protecting himself from the guy in the van that came at him with the gun. If true then he just might have a case of self defense but it still stands that he was a part of the road rage and that doesn't look good on him.
 
Sheriff's reports show that deputies recovered a 45 calibre Taurus semi-automatic and a 38 calibre Keltec automatic.

an automatic Keltec huh? that sounds like fun! anyone know where i can get one! i love it when media gets their facts straight, makes for great reporting!
 
"This is a residential street with pedestrian traffic. It's a nice neighborhood with kids and families," Padilla said. "Even in law-enforcement, this is quite shocking to us."

that neighborhood hasn't been nice and quiet since the 1980s... this cop is only fooling himself... guarantee that cops get called into that neighborhood at least twice a day (and it is a small neighborhood)
 
You have your fire selector on burst hob...

Also I didn't know kel-tec made a .38. A .380 Auto maybe :p
 
These kinds of people are worse than the antis because they are supposed to be on our side but only end up hurting gun rights for the rest of us.

Stuff like this makes me sick, how can people be so dumb!!:banghead:
 
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Is it April 1st already? Because this has got to be a joke...

Davis stopped at a home on Garwood Drive and dropped off his daughters. He then continued to pursue Vilchez through the neighborhood.

He just dropped off his kids at a home? Not their home, just a home!? An then he pursued the other guy!?!?

If true, not only should this person not be carrying, he should not be procreating.
 
Man, I think I just heard the Brady campaign have an orgasm. That being said:
Davis felt the van was going too slow, so he tried to pass him. But Vilchez [the van] started to speed up
Wrong thing on the wrong day. I hate people like this. Speeding up just to make the other guy mad. That is what started the whole thing. First rule of self defense is do not go around and needlessly anger people. To be honest, I would shed no tears if Vilchez had died. Maybe people would be a little more civil out there.
 
Like they just told us in CCW class, to shoot you must be "innocent" and neither of these guys has any case of self defense as they both helped escalate it. The idiot with the kids has no case at all and the guy in the van would've had he not taken part in the chase. Good riddance to both.
 
I recently mentioned that the gun community was pretty quick to excommunicate members. In this case, for at least one, and possibly both of those ijits, that would seem to be justified.
 
The van driver should lose his driver's license also. The only redeeming possibility is that the van-driver had reason to believe the guy in the Honda was trying to stop him for nefarious reasons. He rammed the honda after it passed him, in an effort to disable it, and then the fire-fight ensued.

Please understand that I think this is extremely remote. More than likely, the guy just got ticked off and went too far. Does Florida require training in de-escalation for you to get a carry permit? I know most teachers for Ohio CCW give some mention of being responsible enough to back down from a serious encounter if possible.
 
seriously, ***...

they were heading to school, too. I know its fine to carry into a school zone as long as you do not exit the vehicle, but imagine if this happened close to the school and they missed enough with the school in the background...

that'd be horribly bad
 
A Taurus vs a Kel-Tec - No wonder no one was injured. :D

Sounds like a couple of supreme dumbasses both of whom fully deserve what they're going to get.
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A "38 calibre Keltec automatic" ?

1. Dude has (had) a Kel-Tec that shoots revolver rounds?
2. Dude has (had) a Kel-Tec that shoots revolver rounds on full-auto?
3. Please tell me that the guy with the (presumably) P-3AT wasn't the one who actually started this shoot-out.
 
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