ceadermtnboy
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The shooter must have shot gangsta style! Shot placement is the key. I do not feel more comfortable with a 45 over a 9mm. Hollow points and practice would have resulted in at the very least a longer stay in the hospital.
imagine telling the people up in Virginia Tech how 'inadequate' the 9mm is...
I learned something very discouraging tonight. A young man who is friends with my cousin was shot 7 times locally with a 9mm gun a close range.
There was one story posted here on THR about a guy that was shot 4 times with .45 ACP and walked out of the hospital on the same day.
cases like this are flukes...
imagine telling the people up in Virginia Tech how 'inadequate' the 9mm is...
that guy, who was a total novice shooter, managed to KILL (not wound, but KILL) THIRTY TWO people with a glock 19. a high % of the people hit were fatalities.
The information is not really good here that is being put out. I don't have any direct information but one of our captains attended a class taught by the lead dective that was assign this case. So my info is kinda 2nd hand and it was many years after the shooting so facts can get mess up some. There was one for sure 9mm with the agents it was hit by a round early in the fight which took it out of the battle.
I think it was agent mendoza (may be wrong on the name) that ended the fight with a shotgun. There was also revolvers used by the agents.
It was this gun fight that got the FBI looking at another duty weapon at first the 10mm was tried which many agents couldn't handle it was from that round the .40 came about. It was more a matter of poor tactics and bad luck which cause that bad gun fight where the agents were lose. Theh 9mm will do the job if you do your part.
Just goes to show you can poke a lot of holes in a person and if you don't hit the right places you just wasted gunpowder. 9mm hardball is plenty enough to put a person down, but you do need to hit the right spot. I wonder if a .45 hardball hitting that person, in the exact same places, would have done any differently?
He used a Model 10 and a Rem 870.
Single examples of extreme conditions prove nothing.
Both were killed by 38+P to the head at close range. Agent staggered over to car and shot thru open driver side window Was his back up gun . FBI simply were not prepared for 2 bad guys who were willing to fight to the end .A number of FBI Agents got into a shootout with 2 naughty children.
A bullet (even a "huge" bullet like a .45 bullet) MIGHT destroy a QUARTER of a percent (0.25%) of a person if it's a solid hit.
How many die each year from getting shot in the eye with a BB gun?
A lot.
I meant about carrying the 9mm not about his friend. I believe I am safe carrying the 9mm still. After hearing this story at first we were all under the impression that it was a .25 and it madejmorris: Why discouraging?
I don't know where the notion comes from that the "tremendous recoil" of a .45 will make one a bad shot, I really enjoy the 1911 and have no fear of it nor anticipatory flinch. Try shooting one a few hundred rounds and I think you'll see what I mean. I wouldn't want anything less in a gun fight, in fact, I'd rather have my 10MM!I like the 9mm because it is very controllable and my impression was it's better to hit with a smaller bullet than miss with a big one.
I was trying to be VERY charitable in order to make a point but you are correct.Even less than that, actually. Let's say we've got an 80 kilogram person (176 lbs). MacPherson's equations say that a 230 gr JHP .45 that penetrates 13" (the optimal) will destroy 49.6 grams of tissue, maximum (so a cross-torso shot). Round it up to 50 grams, and that's 0.0625%, or 1/16 of a percent.
What's really irritating about this is that although it's common for people to act interested and apparently want to talk about this topic it's also common for them to be uninformed. Anyone who is actually interested in what happened has access to a TON of FREE information...Thank goodness, I thought this was heading to the ad nauseum "Miami Shootout again!!!"