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Dont apologize...whether or not your opinions are agreed with does not and should not matter. You are entitled to your opinions.
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Shot myself with a .45 caliber last night.
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Dont apologize...whether or not your opinions are agreed with does not and should not matter. You are entitled to your opinions.
grampster
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I'll join the choir here in thanking you, sir, for another timely reminder to alway handle our firearms very carefuly.
If you are not a member of the NRA yet, for your penance and in grateful thanks that this situation did not cost you a limb, life or loved one, you need to become a member and also support NRA-ILA for at least a year.
If you are not a member of the NRA yet, for your penance and in grateful thanks that this situation did not cost you a limb, life or loved one, you need to become a member and also support NRA-ILA for at least a year.
Correct.
I saw many like that in Johannesburg and for perforating injuries with no neuro-vascular involvement the outcome was usually wipe, dress and go with antibiotics.
I advocate X-raying all gunshot wounds unless the wound track can be visually inspected and projectile fragments excluded that way.
On another note, there is a fairly common kind of ND seen in Johannesburg, that I like to call the trouser shot. It is from unsafe handling or other misadventure during mexican carry. There are quite a few men out there with singed scrotal sacks and perforated thighs because of near contact injuries while the gun is stuffed down the front of the trousers.
In second place is the foot or shin shot (either the shooter's or a bystander's) while drawing or reholstering a handgun.
Some of those guys should have had some lessons in the safe handling of firearms, particulary in the proper carrying, drawing and reholstering of their weapon!
Thank you.
First off... Glad you're ok! I, after teaching the 4 rules with plain old BB guns for the past few years (like the "wax on wax off" Karate Kid theory, engraving the 4 rules into their very young souls) just a couple weeks ago took my 11 and 14 year old shooting at a range for the very first time with a .22 rifle and let them shoot my .32 just to get them started.
I have always stressed the rules and they did very well. (Made me proud!) I showed some of this very important post to my boys, and I think it hit home that it CAN happen.
I very much appreciate your bravery to post this as it really is an educational tool for all of us, and again, I'm glad you're ok.
Kevin
First off... Glad you're ok! I, after teaching the 4 rules with plain old BB guns for the past few years (like the "wax on wax off" Karate Kid theory, engraving the 4 rules into their very young souls) just a couple weeks ago took my 11 and 14 year old shooting at a range for the very first time with a .22 rifle and let them shoot my .32 just to get them started.
I have always stressed the rules and they did very well. (Made me proud!) I showed some of this very important post to my boys, and I think it hit home that it CAN happen.
I very much appreciate your bravery to post this as it really is an educational tool for all of us, and again, I'm glad you're ok.
Kevin
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Well, maybe this is the place to relate a story as I recall it, even though I heard it second or third hand, a bit over 40 years ago. Mr. W. was the father of one of my school classmates. He went hunting with some friends, and was a ways behind them getting back to the truck. As they waited for him, they heard a bang, and figured he must have spotted a deer. They walked back to see what was up, and found him slumped over a fence. It seems that he had slipped while climbing over the fence, and his rifle went off, blasting him in the heart. R.I.P. I guess that one involved at least two serious mistakes.
no you dont close off the wound they clean it and stop the bleeding and leave it alone. they also dont remove the bullet unless it near an artery or in a joint.
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rmodel, you still have a slug floating aroun d in there? and how long did it take to heal? I bet it was PAINFUL.
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Way to go Cheddar Bob.
Sorry, I couldn't resist, but I'm seriously glad you're okay.
Sorry, I couldn't resist, but I'm seriously glad you're okay.
larry_minn
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Sorry to hear about your injury. Glad you were not hurt worse.
I only read first two pages.. Just felt I had to comment on the anti Glock comments.
It is true that a Glock WILL go Bang when its loaded and you pull the trigger. So maybe if he had a lesser gun that would fail to fire he MIGHT not have gotten injured.
Often a "dry" fire IS the final check to assure the gun IS UNLOADED. I have shot a number of matches that after you finish your course of fire the person running you thru will ask/order you "mag" (remove the magazine) "chamber" ( show clear, some varient) where you lock the slide and tilt gun (keeping it pointed downrange) so he can visually see there is no bullets in chamber/ready to go in) "slide" for you to lower slide closed and then "hammer" for you to DRY FIRE toward target. (in case both of you made multiple mistakes)
People have been shooting themselves cleaning guns forever. Even with cap and ball guns. The gun must ALWAYS be pointed in a safe direction when you pull the trigger. IF the striker was kept under pressure/loaded rd in chamber/slide removed and striker "tripped" the danger could be much worse.
I only read first two pages.. Just felt I had to comment on the anti Glock comments.
It is true that a Glock WILL go Bang when its loaded and you pull the trigger. So maybe if he had a lesser gun that would fail to fire he MIGHT not have gotten injured.
Often a "dry" fire IS the final check to assure the gun IS UNLOADED. I have shot a number of matches that after you finish your course of fire the person running you thru will ask/order you "mag" (remove the magazine) "chamber" ( show clear, some varient) where you lock the slide and tilt gun (keeping it pointed downrange) so he can visually see there is no bullets in chamber/ready to go in) "slide" for you to lower slide closed and then "hammer" for you to DRY FIRE toward target. (in case both of you made multiple mistakes)
People have been shooting themselves cleaning guns forever. Even with cap and ball guns. The gun must ALWAYS be pointed in a safe direction when you pull the trigger. IF the striker was kept under pressure/loaded rd in chamber/slide removed and striker "tripped" the danger could be much worse.
yes it is still in there, ive seen it on xray the WWB hollow point fragged pretty good after it hit the femur so its spread out a little
i had the staples removed(from the im nail) about 2 weeks after the surgery and the GSW was healed over around the same time
my leg still isnt 100% working on it though riding my bicycle and walking etc, still a little numb in my foot(did a little nerve damage)
FlyinBryan
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im just glad your head and chest are ok. poking holes in those is probably tougher.
also be glad it wasnt a barnes, hydrashok, frangible, or golden sabre. that might have been worse
also be glad it wasnt a barnes, hydrashok, frangible, or golden sabre. that might have been worse
About a half a year ago I had my Ruger Mk III .22 pistol in my living room. I was sitting on the couch and watching TV with my dad, and my dog was right at my feet. I thought the gun was empty, cocked the gun, and when the bolt slammed forward the gun slam fired and the bullet hit a couple of inches next to my dogs head into the floor. Terrifying experience to say the least, and it has made me abide by the safety rules 100% of the time ever since. I feel lucky. BTW, we all make mistakes as said before and I'm glad you're okay overall.
ZO6Vettever
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Glad you're OK buddy. Thanks for the post and the pic is an eye opener. Most of us kill paper and don't relate holes in paper to flesh. I try to never change my routine but mistakes can happen! OUCH!
rainbowbob
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I don't own a semi. What causes a slam-fire?
larry_minn
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Most often the person holding the gun "and pulling the trigger". While it CAN happen and some guns do have (more) of a problem with this..... Often its used as a excuse for the person holding the guns actually pulling the trigger. I.E. "My glock just went off" that often the person will finally admit "well MAYBE I did have my finger RESTING on the trigger"
Some guns that are known for it being (more) possible. Some sub machine guns. Esp open bolt. The fireing pin was actually machined into bolt face. The SKS (IF you did not clean grease/gunk out of firing pin channel) Actually many guns if some grit/rust/gunk is holding fireing pin forward. Some older shotguns, 1911s where the owner has taped down the grip safety (or pinned it) and then filed down half cock/stoned the crap out of trigger for a 2 oz trigger pull. etc.
Basicly its rather rare for a true slam fire in a quality firearm that has had basic care taken care of (and no drastic consumer "mods" for ultra light trigger pull)
Most people (myself included) have hand chambered tens of thousands of live rds thru semi autos. (function check of mag after cleaning/ slight mod to mag/chamber, replacement of ejector,extractor,new mags springs,etc.
To be fair to poster who said he had one. The .22lr would seem to be a logical "candidate" for slam fire. The primer is all the way around. So a small piece of grit would (likely) catch in lower curve of bolt. So when slide is dropped it would put pressure on primer/causing primer to spark.
This is why (the one in a million chance) you follow "at least" the 4 rules.
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I should mention that free floating firing pins/sensetive primers can make it more possible.
Also that you WILL break the 4 main rules if you carry a gun. I do point gun at myself.
To reholster or while walking if I look I would say the muzzle does "cover" part of my leg/foot at times. I have used shoulder rig. The draw winds up sweeping my left arm (or being rather conveluted IMO) The important thing is never break more then ONE rule at a time.
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rainbowbob
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Matrix: So how about it? Was your finger anywhere near the trigger when the firearm went off? I'm not trying to needle - we're all just hoping to learn from each other - since as you said, "...we all make mistakes...".
When I finally acquire a semi - I want to avoid a slam-fire - or any other unintentional discharge.
Thanks to all for sharing potentially embarrasing details. Learning how screw-ups happen will hopefully help the rest of us avoid them.
When I finally acquire a semi - I want to avoid a slam-fire - or any other unintentional discharge.
Thanks to all for sharing potentially embarrasing details. Learning how screw-ups happen will hopefully help the rest of us avoid them.
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you were the end result. someone handed you a loaded gun. have a word with that guy about bringing loaded guns into your house. everyone feels your pain. i just had an AD with a 1911 because i'm so confident that i threw caution to the wind. i perforated a TABLE leg and the wall separating me from my neighbor. get well, all the way around.
WOW... Good thread!
I applaud your bravery and admitting it. Yes, if ANYONE has been around guns for ANY length of time they are 100% going to have a story or a close call (even a far call). And, if not, you are either lying, it has slipped your mind, or it will happen tomorrow. It's going to happen! Even if you are pulling the trigger and it goes off unexpectedly, live round or not - you are there! You just became a member of the club.
This might be a long one, you may want to grab a cup of coffee.
In my youth all of my hunting buddies were (are) the safest bunch to be around. Living where I do (Idaho) you practically grew up with a rifle, pistol, or shotgun in your hand. We never thought anything about going out after school (we brought our guns to school - the horror!) and doing some hunting, plinking, etc. Yes, we were all brought up around the golden rules and they were strictly enforced. We were about 14 when we were 1st allowed to drive (common here, farmers and everything). So here were, all of these 14 year olds and up, out doing God knows what and where. We NEVER even had a close call till one year we came back from some pheasant hunting, we were dead tired and we all crashed on the lawn at one of my friends houses. It was actually a ranch with a pasture backing up to the yard. We ranged from about 16-18 yo. Well, one of 'em thought he would really be funny because Bessie, the old milk cow started to act up in the pasture by the fence. He yells, "I'll get her", and grabs his 12 ga and clicks one off... It was not empty - it was loaded. Well, needless to say... we all miss Bessie. Talk about all hell breaking loose! That was the 1st time.
Another, same situation, different guy (probably the safest guy of us all), come back from hunting, we all go into his house and sit down with his Dad. We're all talking and my friend is cleaning his shotgun, the muzzle is pointing straight up and BANG! His Father didn't say a word... got up and said, "You boys all fix that roof... ya hear"? His mother came in madder than a wet hen (that is the only phrase I could come up with right now),..., boy did we get an earful! I learned how to fix a roof that day.
Next time: Much older (shall I say adults?), one of our huntin' buddies turned into a cop. He was cleaning his S&W revolver in his apartment (we were all poor then - nothings changed!) and it went bang and shot a hole in his ceiling and the upstairs neighbors floor. Quite a ruckus..., no one hurt! Don't ask me how his revolver went off accidentally..., I don't recall - it does happen even with revolvers - and from a professional.
Then there was me, fast forward to about a year ago. We were out in the local gunshop. This is more than a 'gunshop' this place is awesome! Anything from peashooters to 5 figure dangerous game double rifles, etc. One of my old buddies was looking for a pistol to buy and there were two of us with him to help make up his mind. The place was packed with people 2-3 deep. I spotted a freestyle pistol on the back shelf and asked one of the guys I know there to take a look at it. I am seriously into competitive shooting and this was a serious competition pistol and the salesman knew nothing about it (I hate that... if I was behind the counter I would know something about everything in there. In a lull - your educating yourself - sorry, I digress). I had to point out exactly which one I was referring to. He hands it to me and it is one of those compressed air pistols - He didn't know anything about it - let alone how to check it, this isn't a 'normal' pistol! Beautiful! I was looking it over very closely and turned it over in my hand and I must have brushed the trigger. This was set at about 1 ounce! If you have never experienced a 1 ounce trigger... you are in for a real surprise. Well, like I mentioned this was an air pistol and someone had cocked it with no round in the barrel. So, when it went off it sounded like a real .22 had gone off. I was obeying the golden rules and it was pointed right over and to the side of the sales clerks shoulder. His eyes were about the size of silver dollars and he was looking down at his chest expecting to see a gaping hole (as gaping as a .22 could be - I'd say pretty big if you are the gapee!). Of course... no harm, no problem. I was looking at the salesman and then I immediately became aware that the entire place was quiet as a church. A second before this you could hardly hear yourself think! Everyone was staring at me and I said, "Shees... you could hear a pin drop in here!" The owner was not pleased!
We are the safest people that I know and I am very picky about who I choose to be in the field holding a gun with. These are some of the best... I would include myself in there and I am sure they would as well.
AD's are going to happen... it's just a matter of time. If all of the safety checks are in place, they will simply be a well learned lesson and nothing else!
Good luck out there everyone!
WHEW... I think I'm done. Thanx for hanging in there.
I applaud your bravery and admitting it. Yes, if ANYONE has been around guns for ANY length of time they are 100% going to have a story or a close call (even a far call). And, if not, you are either lying, it has slipped your mind, or it will happen tomorrow. It's going to happen! Even if you are pulling the trigger and it goes off unexpectedly, live round or not - you are there! You just became a member of the club.
This might be a long one, you may want to grab a cup of coffee.
In my youth all of my hunting buddies were (are) the safest bunch to be around. Living where I do (Idaho) you practically grew up with a rifle, pistol, or shotgun in your hand. We never thought anything about going out after school (we brought our guns to school - the horror!) and doing some hunting, plinking, etc. Yes, we were all brought up around the golden rules and they were strictly enforced. We were about 14 when we were 1st allowed to drive (common here, farmers and everything). So here were, all of these 14 year olds and up, out doing God knows what and where. We NEVER even had a close call till one year we came back from some pheasant hunting, we were dead tired and we all crashed on the lawn at one of my friends houses. It was actually a ranch with a pasture backing up to the yard. We ranged from about 16-18 yo. Well, one of 'em thought he would really be funny because Bessie, the old milk cow started to act up in the pasture by the fence. He yells, "I'll get her", and grabs his 12 ga and clicks one off... It was not empty - it was loaded. Well, needless to say... we all miss Bessie. Talk about all hell breaking loose! That was the 1st time.
Another, same situation, different guy (probably the safest guy of us all), come back from hunting, we all go into his house and sit down with his Dad. We're all talking and my friend is cleaning his shotgun, the muzzle is pointing straight up and BANG! His Father didn't say a word... got up and said, "You boys all fix that roof... ya hear"? His mother came in madder than a wet hen (that is the only phrase I could come up with right now),..., boy did we get an earful! I learned how to fix a roof that day.
Next time: Much older (shall I say adults?), one of our huntin' buddies turned into a cop. He was cleaning his S&W revolver in his apartment (we were all poor then - nothings changed!) and it went bang and shot a hole in his ceiling and the upstairs neighbors floor. Quite a ruckus..., no one hurt! Don't ask me how his revolver went off accidentally..., I don't recall - it does happen even with revolvers - and from a professional.
Then there was me, fast forward to about a year ago. We were out in the local gunshop. This is more than a 'gunshop' this place is awesome! Anything from peashooters to 5 figure dangerous game double rifles, etc. One of my old buddies was looking for a pistol to buy and there were two of us with him to help make up his mind. The place was packed with people 2-3 deep. I spotted a freestyle pistol on the back shelf and asked one of the guys I know there to take a look at it. I am seriously into competitive shooting and this was a serious competition pistol and the salesman knew nothing about it (I hate that... if I was behind the counter I would know something about everything in there. In a lull - your educating yourself - sorry, I digress). I had to point out exactly which one I was referring to. He hands it to me and it is one of those compressed air pistols - He didn't know anything about it - let alone how to check it, this isn't a 'normal' pistol! Beautiful! I was looking it over very closely and turned it over in my hand and I must have brushed the trigger. This was set at about 1 ounce! If you have never experienced a 1 ounce trigger... you are in for a real surprise. Well, like I mentioned this was an air pistol and someone had cocked it with no round in the barrel. So, when it went off it sounded like a real .22 had gone off. I was obeying the golden rules and it was pointed right over and to the side of the sales clerks shoulder. His eyes were about the size of silver dollars and he was looking down at his chest expecting to see a gaping hole (as gaping as a .22 could be - I'd say pretty big if you are the gapee!). Of course... no harm, no problem. I was looking at the salesman and then I immediately became aware that the entire place was quiet as a church. A second before this you could hardly hear yourself think! Everyone was staring at me and I said, "Shees... you could hear a pin drop in here!" The owner was not pleased!
We are the safest people that I know and I am very picky about who I choose to be in the field holding a gun with. These are some of the best... I would include myself in there and I am sure they would as well.
AD's are going to happen... it's just a matter of time. If all of the safety checks are in place, they will simply be a well learned lesson and nothing else!
Good luck out there everyone!
WHEW... I think I'm done. Thanx for hanging in there.
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larry_minn
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[Mr. 22 Is that your idea of a safe group? I detest folks who point guns at animals/people and dry fire them for a joke. (and have nothing to do with them if they don't change RFN) It actually sounds like they grew up with guns but were never taught safety.
By "golden rules" I assume you ment "do unto others...." Not "Treat every firearm as if it was loaded, Never point a......." right?
I wonder how long it took your buddy to find his gun cleaning supplies AFTER he shot thru ceiling?
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I did not mention your incident. You said you had muzzle off to side/did not intend to hit trigger, was unsure how to check if gun was unloaded.etc.
Which is not even close to picking up a gun and pointing it at cow/person and pulling trigger. (even if you did check) I had a "joke" played on me long ago. A 12 guage single shot. The guy yelled at me/pointed it at @15' and pulled trigger. He didn't understand why I got so upset. Today I would call the Police. I still have a instinctive dislike whenever I run into him.
Regards the Cop buddy. The "I was cleaning my gun and it went off" is the catch all when folks are playing with thier gun. (and it just goes off) The OP was honest and admitted his mistake. Think of it. HOW do you have a revolver go off when you are going to clean it? I know of one case personally where the local Police had to HUNT for the off duty Officers gun cleaning supplies after he "died cleaning his gun" at home after his wife left him. One Officer claimed he was ready to drive home and get his cleaning supplies before they found it.
I guess I have shot with too many folks who do think safety. Heck they call me on stuff. I actually prefer a "hot" range. We had one guy who was not safe. after being warned he was told he was no longer welcome.
By "golden rules" I assume you ment "do unto others...." Not "Treat every firearm as if it was loaded, Never point a......." right?
I wonder how long it took your buddy to find his gun cleaning supplies AFTER he shot thru ceiling?
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I did not mention your incident. You said you had muzzle off to side/did not intend to hit trigger, was unsure how to check if gun was unloaded.etc.
Which is not even close to picking up a gun and pointing it at cow/person and pulling trigger. (even if you did check) I had a "joke" played on me long ago. A 12 guage single shot. The guy yelled at me/pointed it at @15' and pulled trigger. He didn't understand why I got so upset. Today I would call the Police. I still have a instinctive dislike whenever I run into him.
Regards the Cop buddy. The "I was cleaning my gun and it went off" is the catch all when folks are playing with thier gun. (and it just goes off) The OP was honest and admitted his mistake. Think of it. HOW do you have a revolver go off when you are going to clean it? I know of one case personally where the local Police had to HUNT for the off duty Officers gun cleaning supplies after he "died cleaning his gun" at home after his wife left him. One Officer claimed he was ready to drive home and get his cleaning supplies before they found it.
I guess I have shot with too many folks who do think safety. Heck they call me on stuff. I actually prefer a "hot" range. We had one guy who was not safe. after being warned he was told he was no longer welcome.
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"...I was obeying the golden rules and it was pointed right over and to the side of the sales clerks shoulder."
Gee... I guess by saying the Golden Rules - I meant, "The Rules of Gun Safety". They should be the "Golden Rules", as I would want to be treated the same as I do around others with guns. I will be sure and enunciate and spell out EXACTLY what I mean next time.
The hardest thing we had to do was come up with the material to repair the roof. The gun cleaning kit nor the guns was ever in question. "Never Point a......." you know!
It is not a question of 'if' accidents (being part of the club as mentioned above) are going to happen but when. Like was mentioned above as well.
Gee... I guess by saying the Golden Rules - I meant, "The Rules of Gun Safety". They should be the "Golden Rules", as I would want to be treated the same as I do around others with guns. I will be sure and enunciate and spell out EXACTLY what I mean next time.
The hardest thing we had to do was come up with the material to repair the roof. The gun cleaning kit nor the guns was ever in question. "Never Point a......." you know!
It is not a question of 'if' accidents (being part of the club as mentioned above) are going to happen but when. Like was mentioned above as well.
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