Shot myself with a .45 caliber last night.
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I think I learned 3 things
1. People make mistakes.
2. Another reason not to own the worlds ugliest pistol. I was not aware the takedown requires a trigger pull, sounds REALLY stupid to me.
3. 45 fmj is not very impressive at point blank ranges into soft flesh.
ok 4 things.
There are only a FEW people on this board who have EVER had to fire their gun in self defense, but there are multiple people in this thread who have shot themselves. Sounds like we are FAR more likely to harm OURSELVES than to protect our family or person from aggression.
Food for thought. Safety first.
1. People make mistakes.
2. Another reason not to own the worlds ugliest pistol. I was not aware the takedown requires a trigger pull, sounds REALLY stupid to me.
3. 45 fmj is not very impressive at point blank ranges into soft flesh.
ok 4 things.
There are only a FEW people on this board who have EVER had to fire their gun in self defense, but there are multiple people in this thread who have shot themselves. Sounds like we are FAR more likely to harm OURSELVES than to protect our family or person from aggression.
Food for thought. Safety first.
AKElroy
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Hmmmm.....As I have posted, I have had an AD, although at least pointing the gun in a safe direction managed to still be in my half asleep mind at the time. I have also drawn a weapon to prevent my car being jacked w/ my wife & baby in the backseat; thankfully no shots fired. I understand your point, but I am not comfortable with this oft-used Brady quote.
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it's not really hurting no, but it itches like crazy! I appreciate everyone's feedback. It was a hell of a learning lesson, believe me. The amount of stupidity and embarrassment I felt was enough punishment for carelessness alone, not to mention the thought of what COULD have happened.
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Boba Fett
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I'd like to preface my coming remarks by saying that I am not a fan of Glocks at all. I hate the way they look, the way they shoot, and how they feel in my hand. No offense to Glock lovers, this is simply personal preference for me.
Also, I am not singling out the above quoted poster as a number of others have said similar things.
Now, that said,
Why are people knocking Glock because you have to pull the trigger for take down. To my knowledge, this isn't an uncommon thing. I mean, I have to do that with my Mosin Nagant (albeit with the bolt fully open). And I believe the SW40GVE also requires the trigger to be pulled.
And I'm sure there are a number of others.
The main point is:
DON'T PULL THE DARN TRIGGER BEFORE CLEARING THE FIREARM.
I really don't see how difficult that is. I would not exclude ownership of a particular firearm simply because I was afraid I wouldn't follow the safety rules. If you are afraid of that, then you should exclude all firearms from your ownership.
The OP has graciously demonstrated why we should always follow the rules...he just did so with a Glock. However, he could have just as easily blown a hole in his leg with a STI 1911 because he didn't check it.
*ALERT - entering sarcasm zone*
And those STI 1911s have really light triggers....ooohhh darn those 1911s!!! Their triggers are way way too light! Just another reason not to own them. I'd never own a firearm that had a trigger pull of less than 20lbs. I mean, I might mistakenly pull the trigger without checking the gun first!
*sarcasm zone cleared*
I have a Sig P220. It has no true safety (other than the decocker). If the trigger is pulled, it goes off. Period. This is not a design flaw nor is it a safety hazard.
Here's my secret:
1) I don't pull the trigger
2) I check the firearm thoroughly to ensure I've cleared it, then I pull the trigger
3) I pull the trigger because I want the gun to go off and I am shooting at something
So I'm all for bashing firearms for their legitimate flaws or personal preference factors, but I just don't see how pulling the trigger on a loaded firearm you didn't check is the firearm's fault.
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rainbowbob
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We have winner...give that man a cigar!
Dark Skies
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Ouch. I bet that made you squeak. Still at least you didn't put one in your man pods - that would really suck.
inSight-NEO
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To the OP- Im just glad you are ok, thats the most important thing here. I myself have made several mistakes when it comes to weapons (luckily, my mistakes only resulted in scratches or the blemishing of various weapon finishes).
Regardless, bad things can and do happen at times. You live, make mistakes, hopefully learn from them, and then go on about your business.
Again, Im glad you are ok.
My take, in sequence:
#1. I agree...it can happen (even to the most experienced)
#2. The Springfield XD, as an example, also requires a trigger pull during field stripping. Not really an issue to me...After all, one should never begin the field stripping process without making absolutely sure the weapon is unloaded in the first place. Hence, this could have happened with almost any weapon.
#3. This was an otherwise superficial wound and therefore, hardly indicative of whether or not .45 FMJ ammo is effective, IMHO. I mean, should we expect half his thigh to be missing?
Now, had this been a shotgun for instance, Im not sure if things would have worked out as well as they (thankfully) did.
Regardless, bad things can and do happen at times. You live, make mistakes, hopefully learn from them, and then go on about your business.
Again, Im glad you are ok.
My take, in sequence:
#1. I agree...it can happen (even to the most experienced)
#2. The Springfield XD, as an example, also requires a trigger pull during field stripping. Not really an issue to me...After all, one should never begin the field stripping process without making absolutely sure the weapon is unloaded in the first place. Hence, this could have happened with almost any weapon.
#3. This was an otherwise superficial wound and therefore, hardly indicative of whether or not .45 FMJ ammo is effective, IMHO. I mean, should we expect half his thigh to be missing?
Now, had this been a shotgun for instance, Im not sure if things would have worked out as well as they (thankfully) did.
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Nate1778
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Dude, I don't know if this has been stated yet, but it isn't a good idea to shoot yourself. I would recommend against doing it again.......
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It is NOT the Glocks fault...Any weapon could have done the same thing. I am sure that the person who wrote this post is very careful and has been around weapons for years. Like all of us ,once in a while we get in a hurry or skip a step in safety. Thank God you and everyone else in your home is okay. Speaking for myself, I feel that this could happen to anyone at any given time.
It is NOT the Glocks fault...Any weapon could have done the same thing. I am sure that the person who wrote this post is very careful and has been around weapons for years. Like all of us ,once in a while we get in a hurry or skip a step in safety. Thank God you and everyone else in your home is okay. Speaking for myself, I feel that this could happen to anyone at any given time.
rainbowbob
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Was it the Grace of God - or your natural (or learned and practiced) intelligence that caused you to ALWAYS point the muzzle down-range before you put your finger on the trigger?
I believe in God's Grace.
I also believe God helps those who help themselves.
FAITHFUL SUPPLICANT: "Dear God - I'm out of work, my wife needs an operation, and my family is suffering - please let me win the lottery!"
GOD: "I'll see what I can do...but can you at least buy a ticket?"
ljnowell
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It sounds like you arent the type of person that should own a glock then. No firearm allows you security if you break the 4 rules.
Well no sht ljnowell. I don't have a glock & because of it's utter simplicity I don't plain on owning one.
HMMMMMMMMM, Are you serious ljnowell? I think I can immediately prove you wrong in an experiment that will take place for the next few minutes.
Experiment Goal:
I will be seeking to destroy my monitor right now with my chambered Taurus PT99 AF which is sighted directly at it.
Experiment hypothesis:
Since "No firearm allows you security if you break the 4 rules." as Dr. ljnowell has taught us in the previous post, I am confident I will indeed destroy my monitor, because I mean I know it's loaded and I am about to break every one of the rules as I attempt to shoot it.
Experiment Results:
For some reason no matter how how many times I attempt to pull the trigger back while aiming at my monitor, the darn pistol won't go bang or hell click for the matter.
Experiment Conclusion:
Oh wait a minute, I see the problem. The darn manual safety switch was flipped up. I guess I was locked & cocked but failed to unlock? So I should probably take note in the future that safety up on my loaded gun = no bang while safety down = BANG BANG.
Final Notes:
It should be noted that individuals who own a manual safety on their loaded Taurus PT99 AF & plan on successfully placing a bullet on their intended target by pulling the trigger back should make sure the safety switch is not up. This renders the gun inoperable and will continue to do so unless the safety switch is pressed down. It can be concluded that "there are indeed firearms that allow you security if you break the 4 rules"
P.S. I Sincerely apologize for taking this thread off topic
HMMMMMMMMM, Are you serious ljnowell? I think I can immediately prove you wrong in an experiment that will take place for the next few minutes.
Experiment Goal:
I will be seeking to destroy my monitor right now with my chambered Taurus PT99 AF which is sighted directly at it.
Experiment hypothesis:
Since "No firearm allows you security if you break the 4 rules." as Dr. ljnowell has taught us in the previous post, I am confident I will indeed destroy my monitor, because I mean I know it's loaded and I am about to break every one of the rules as I attempt to shoot it.
Experiment Results:
For some reason no matter how how many times I attempt to pull the trigger back while aiming at my monitor, the darn pistol won't go bang or hell click for the matter.
Experiment Conclusion:
Oh wait a minute, I see the problem. The darn manual safety switch was flipped up. I guess I was locked & cocked but failed to unlock? So I should probably take note in the future that safety up on my loaded gun = no bang while safety down = BANG BANG.
Final Notes:
It should be noted that individuals who own a manual safety on their loaded Taurus PT99 AF & plan on successfully placing a bullet on their intended target by pulling the trigger back should make sure the safety switch is not up. This renders the gun inoperable and will continue to do so unless the safety switch is pressed down. It can be concluded that "there are indeed firearms that allow you security if you break the 4 rules"
P.S. I Sincerely apologize for taking this thread off topic
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inSight-NEO
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All it really takes is paying heed to the "RTFM" principal. Design should have nothing to do with it. Besides, weapons generally do not allow for many mistakes anyway.
Glocks, XD's, Kahrs (unless Im mistaken), etc., all require a trigger pull during the field stripping process. Sure, they may not be as "accident proof" as other weapons but, lets be frank here, this extra step cannot be held responsible for accidents.
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AcceptableUserName
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I was told stitching or suturing is not common practice for GSW's
Boba Fett
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So following your logic, you would point a loaded firearm at someone and pull the trigger, relying completely on the manual safety? You would not clear the firearm first.
Am I the only one who thinks this is insane? :banghead:
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It would be impolite and taboo but not insane,
I'll give ya kudos, Boba Fett if you can invalidate my conclusion which was
P.S. good job on the cletus pic, was wondering if the below image was your Native Habitat as well?
I'll give ya kudos, Boba Fett if you can invalidate my conclusion which was
P.S. good job on the cletus pic, was wondering if the below image was your Native Habitat as well?
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Boba Fett
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The reason the four rules are THE rules is because they keep us safe from the unforeseeable.
Cleetus03, in your particular case, the safety could have failed and blown your monitor to pieces, gone through the wall and killed someone.
But, follow the four rules and it wont happen.
No firearm allows you security if you break the four rules. You may think you are safe, but it is only a false sense of security. That is why the rules exist: to give you real safety.
We agree to disagree, I don't want to argue. This has nothing to do with the OP or the thread and I apologize for even posting my original opinions.
My experiment was a smart ass yet valid rebuttal to post #141 by ljnowell, nothing more nothing less.
My experiment was a smart ass yet valid rebuttal to post #141 by ljnowell, nothing more nothing less.
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If you don't ever point a gun at yourself and pull the trigger, then you won't ever shoot yourself.
I still don't like Glocks, but the above applies regardless of make.
I still don't like Glocks, but the above applies regardless of make.
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