Shotgun or AR15 for all-purpose

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The thing about shotguns is they can be changed quickly from one configuration to another depending on the shotgun. An 870 can go from a short, smooth bore barrel for HD to a long, rifled barrel for 200 yard shooting in a matter of seconds really. It means having more than one barrel obviously but they aren't that expensive and not a lot of firearms have the ability to change so many things so quickly. A long, smooth bore is perfect for clays and birds. A rifled barrel for deer. A short barrel for HD. To me that's versatile. I wouldn't say the shotgun is the best choice for many things it can do but as far as being able to do more things I don't think anything else compares.

The same can be said for an AR rifle.

Calibers range from 22lr to 50cal uppers. Barrel lengths from 7" to 24".

Lastly, and this is a bit on the extreme side, a basic M4 is capable of 1000yard accuracy although terminal lethality may not be ideal at that distance (I still would not want to be hit by a 5.56 bullet at that range).

Read this article where a Sniper shot a 14.5" M4A1 with M855 ammo at 1000 yards:
http://looserounds.com/2013/08/05/what-will-the-m4-do-at-1000-yards/


Can the shotgun do that?
 
When I see someone trimming a tree with an AR I'll be convinced. The OP asked about what is better for "ALL" purpose shooting. You can't clear tree limbs with an AR. Sorry it can't be done. And there are lots of other things a shotgun can do that an AR can't. Yes an AR has more range but that is really a limited thing when it gets right down to it. I can't think of even one time that I've actually needed to shoot over 500 yards. And I've been shooting a very long time. I have put food on the table with a shotgun. Try shooting quail with an AR. Or grouse. Or doves.

he AR can shoot much further and have an effective range of 600yards. Would a Sabot Slug from a rifled shotgun bore be able to achieve the same range?

How about a foster slug at 300 yards on a 4" target?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaQnaRW6brU
 
When I see somebody hitting silhouettes at 600 yards with a shotgun I'll be convinced. The OP asked for "ALL" purpose shooting. You can't shoot with any accuracy at 600 yards with a shotgun. Sorry it can't be done. And there are lots of things an AR can do that a shotgun can't. Yes a shotgun is better for landscaping but that is really a limited thing that virtually nobody does. I can't think of even one time I have ever wanted to use a firearm for landscaping. And I have trees in my yard.
 
And there are lots of things an AR can do that a shotgun can't.

You named one. Let's see some others. BTW my link showed a guy hitting a 4" target at 300 yards with a foster slug. Again the utility of being able to shoot long distances is pretty limited anyway. You haven't trimmed a tree. I haven't shot a deer at 600 yards. I wouldn't do it either. I might take shots at a groundhog or something like that at 600 yards or even more but it isn't like it is necessary. Sure long range shooting is fun but not many people hunt that way unless their hunting mountain goats or dall sheep. People do shoot varmints at long distances but they don't have to. It is almost a necessity to shoot dall sheep to shoot them from long range. But for every one thing you can list that an AR can do that a shotgun can't I can probably name two that a shotgun can do that an AR can't. And long range hunting counts as one just like shooting ducks, geese or quail is one. You do know that they use shotguns to clean out industrial equipment don't you? Things like kilns, blast furnaces and certain pipes can be cleaned quickly by blasting material off the walls that would have to be chipped off otherwise. They use shotguns to control birds around airports also. Then there's riot control with bean bags and the like. Then you can use rock salt to seriously discourage an invading pest animal without actually killing it. You can shoot a stream of fire using a magnesium shell. Makes great fireworks and does OK starting controlled burns of brush etc.. Even more effective is the magnesium loaded slug that doesn't ignite until it hits something. So if you want to set a car on fire from a distance you fire a magnesium slug into it. If you've ever seen magnesium burn you'll get the idea.

Did you know they have developed a long range taser that is fired from, you guessed it, a shotgun? There are exploding slugs that are basically small RPG's. Oh yeah. There are rocket propelled slugs too but they don't work very well. There are harpoon rounds fired from shotguns too. The Russians developed them. And there are teargas rounds which is also crowd control but it isn't a bean bag. There are even shotguns that sow seeds.

Stop me when you've heard enough. This is a long list.

There are flare rounds for a shotgun. There are flechettes which are darts loaded into a round that will penetrate body armor. I think you can fire about 12 darts at a time.

There's the old standard buck and ball round which combines the effects of a slug and a shot shell and does big time damage. There's the strung buck round which is two balls of metal attached to each other with a 6" wire. They not only tear up humans in a terrible way but they have other uses like knocking down power cables.

The list of things a shotgun can do is almost endless. Yes there are a few things an AR can do that a shotgun can't. I don't know how many times I have to say that before people stop insinuating I think that isn't true. But the shotgun does far, far more things than an AR ever dream of doing. I haven't even got into laser guided rounds which is something that has been developed only for shotgun rounds and BTW the distances involved are around 1000 yards.

A shotgun can fire bullet shaped rounds just like an AR can. How people figure it can't do what a rifle does is beyond me. There are no rounds available to do long range shooting it wouldn't be that hard to develop one. With a rifled barrel a shotgun is essentially just a big bore rifle. If the load development ws done it could shoot father than an AR. But in reality that just doesn't happen. The things I have mentioned aren't common but they are all produced for various purposes. I'm sure a person could develop a shot load for an AR but with a rifled barrel it would shoot a terrible pattern. It takes a smooth bore to shoot shot.

This really is a no brainer. It's a no contest question. A shotgun is light years ahead in the versatility department.
 
Two different tools and both have their purposes. I think most tool kits can use a good AR and a good 12 gauge, among 5 or more other specialty items.
 
You named one. Let's see some others. BTW my link showed a guy hitting a 4" target at 300 yards with a foster slug. Again the utility of being able to shoot long distances is pretty limited anyway. You haven't trimmed a tree. I haven't shot a deer at 600 yards. I wouldn't do it either. I might take shots at a groundhog or something like that at 600 yards or even more but it isn't like it is necessary. Sure long range shooting is fun but not many people hunt that way unless their hunting mountain goats or dall sheep. People do shoot varmints at long distances but they don't have to. It is almost a necessity to shoot dall sheep to shoot them from long range. But for every one thing you can list that an AR can do that a shotgun can't I can probably name two that a shotgun can do that an AR can't. And long range hunting counts as one just like shooting ducks, geese or quail is one. You do know that they use shotguns to clean out industrial equipment don't you? Things like kilns, blast furnaces and certain pipes can be cleaned quickly by blasting material off the walls that would have to be chipped off otherwise. They use shotguns to control birds around airports also. Then there's riot control with bean bags and the like. Then you can use rock salt to seriously discourage an invading pest animal without actually killing it. You can shoot a stream of fire using a magnesium shell. Makes great fireworks and does OK starting controlled burns of brush etc.. Even more effective is the magnesium loaded slug that doesn't ignite until it hits something. So if you want to set a car on fire from a distance you fire a magnesium slug into it. If you've ever seen magnesium burn you'll get the idea.

Did you know they have developed a long range taser that is fired from, you guessed it, a shotgun? There are exploding slugs that are basically small RPG's. Oh yeah. There are rocket propelled slugs too but they don't work very well. There are harpoon rounds fired from shotguns too. The Russians developed them. And there are teargas rounds which is also crowd control but it isn't a bean bag. There are even shotguns that sow seeds.

Stop me when you've heard enough. This is a long list.

There are flare rounds for a shotgun. There are flechettes which are darts loaded into a round that will penetrate body armor. I think you can fire about 12 darts at a time.

There's the old standard buck and ball round which combines the effects of a slug and a shot shell and does big time damage. There's the strung buck round which is two balls of metal attached to each other with a 6" wire. They not only tear up humans in a terrible way but they have other uses like knocking down power cables.

The list of things a shotgun can do is almost endless. Yes there are a few things an AR can do that a shotgun can't. I don't know how many times I have to say that before people stop insinuating I think that isn't true. But the shotgun does far, far more things than an AR ever dream of doing. I haven't even got into laser guided rounds which is something that has been developed only for shotgun rounds and BTW the distances involved are around 1000 yards.

A shotgun can fire bullet shaped rounds just like an AR can. How people figure it can't do what a rifle does is beyond me. There are no rounds available to do long range shooting it wouldn't be that hard to develop one. With a rifled barrel a shotgun is essentially just a big bore rifle. If the load development ws done it could shoot father than an AR. But in reality that just doesn't happen. The things I have mentioned aren't common but they are all produced for various purposes. I'm sure a person could develop a shot load for an AR but with a rifled barrel it would shoot a terrible pattern. It takes a smooth bore to shoot shot.

This really is a no brainer. It's a no contest question. A shotgun is light years ahead in the versatility department.

Where are you buying these taser shells, launched grenades, rocket propelled slugs, exploding slugs, etc?
 
Where are you buying these taser shells, launched grenades, rocket propelled slugs, exploding slugs, etc?

If you think they don't exist and that police departments don't use them and that military people don't use them you're just wrong. And I plainly said that rocket propelled slugs didn't work well but they were made for a while.

You're just nitpicking again. I gave you a whole list of things that shotguns can be used for and are used for and you ignore and go for the personal touch again. Show me where you can shoot an AR 600 yards. That tactic works both ways.

But since you asked and just to prove to you that I "can" buy those taser rounds have a look here:

http://www.armslist.com/posts/34532...auge-neuro-muscular-incapacitation-projectile

One other thing. I never said anything about a "launched grenade". I said the exploding slugs were "like' a launched grenade.

Face it you lost this argument. You didn't even try to match the list I came up with. Didn't even try. I'll take that as an act of surrender and won't be responding further until I see your list.

Oh I forgot. There is this page where you can order almost everything I mentioned including a round that you can add your own explosive to which will explode on impact.

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/12_Gauge.html

Satisfied? Who wants to bet that you totally ignore where I answered your question and you start harping on something else that won't prove your point at all?
 
So you choose a shotgun because of things that didn't work and used to be produced but aren't now, that only the military can use, or that LE might use but you have no use for and don't buy or use.

And because you once shot a tree branch with one.

I'm not seeing the usefulness to stuff you've never used and can't buy, or that doesn't work.
 
Did you even read my post? I gave you a link to buy almost everything I mentioned. Here's where to get the rest of it:

http://www.americanspecialtyammo.com/12-ga--less-lethal.html

Yes I said that police and military use them. I did not say individuals couldn't get them. They most certainly can. I gave you a link where to order them for pity's sake.

BTW I've shot several tree branches. And just because "you" can't see the usefulness of something it doesn't mean no one can. Some of the things I mentioned have been around for centuries because they are very useful. The cap and ball load is maybe the oldest load of all. This argument is over. You didn't address any thing except your desperate attempts to make out that I didn't list all sorts of things shotguns are used for. Where's your proof you can use an AR at 600 yards to do anything?

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