Should teachers/staff be allowed to CCW?

[SoCalShooter]

Its a very dark dark day when teachers have to carry a gun. School admins and safety yes but teachers...

 

[3fgburner]

Personally I think long before we get to teachers with guns we need to go back to things like corporal punishment and teach these little punks that there are consequence for their actions in life , and some old fashion respect for others rather than letting them grow up spoiled by their parents and society thinking they can do whatever they please to anyone at anytime .

This one does NOT get my vote. As far as I'm concerned, any kid threatened with a paddle is justified in using deadly force to defend himself. Might have something to do with my upbringing. Dad and his belt pretty much made sure that after my mother and brother died, I'd have no more reason to see or speak to him. Haven't seen him since Dec '01. I've heard a couple of rumors that he's still alive. Don't actually know, and don't care.

Remember - the kid you're whaling on, will be choosing your old-folks home in 40 years. Also, beating doesn't teach respect. Fear and hatred are NOT respect.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Its a very dark dark day when teachers have to carry a gun. School admins and safety yes but teachers...

SoCalShooter, please explain your logic. Does this mean teachers shouldn't wear seatbelts, have fire extinguishers?

Do you mean teachers are at less risk because they are teachers?

I guess I'm missing something here.

 

[kengrubb]

Those who are doing these school shooting, going where they know their victims will be/tend to be young or female, show themselves to be very cowardly, so the presence of a firearm could be enough in many cases.

There is quite a bit of precedent.

At Columbine, a cop on scene, within something like a minute of the first 911 call, exchanged fire with one of the killers who then retreated back inside.

The Tacoma Mall shooting, last November, ended when Dan McKown confronted Dominick Maldonado (sp ?).

The Capitol Hill shooting, in March of this year, ended when a Seattle cop arrived on scene, within minutes, and verbally challenged Kyle Huff.

These and other killers run, hide, give up, or take their own life when confronted with force.

 

[xd9fan]

stupid poll, stupid question. Its the same line of crap with "arming the pilots".

Americans!!! Can we stop thinking that giving surtain powers to some people and not others is the right way to solve a problem!!!! Cant we just have CCW legal EVERYWHERE!!! Courts, public schools etc. Cant we give power to the common man and woman that wishes to carry....and who will stand their ground (to protect life) if a badguy entered???

 

[Panthera Tigris]

xd9, you're absolutely right, but the sad fact of the matter is what you (and I) desire as far as ccw is never going to happen again in this country.

 

[CountGlockula]

I love it when everyone is in unison.

I voted yes, because it hasn't been done before in the U.S.

 

[Car Knocker]

I voted yes, because it hasn't been done before in the U.S.

What hasn't been done? Teachers and other school employees can legally CCW in schools in some states.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

You can't agree that there's such a thing as the RKBA and then argue it doesn't apply because of someone's occupation.

And I'm not going to argue with you there's some real problems out there in the education system, but that's a different forum. I don't pretend to know what all the problems are or how to solve many of them either. But that is a straw man argument. By saying "some of these individuals are not what I'd like them to be", you don't create a basis for saying "the second Amendment is not applicable".

Look letting people have freedom is inherently damn dangerous. Freedom is not free. But the fact of the matter is, trying to eliminate freedom does not create safety, so you're back to square one.

YES! I agree 100%, and couldn't have stated it better myself.

I am continually amazed at how blurry the line suddenly becomes when we talk about teachers and school. The arguments being used against CCW in schools are the same that are used against CCW elsewhere. They make no more sense now than they did then, and the current trend towards CCW has shown repeatedly that the fears some have are not justified. Minor arguments do not turn into gun fights, the streets do not run red with blood, and if you stop screaming and running in circles like Chicken Little, you will see that the sky is not falling at the mere suggestion that teachers be allowed to carry concealed in the classroom.

How is it that a 5'4" 120 pound female is justified packing off the job, but somehow not on the job, if she is a teacher? It makes so little sense, that I wonder if those who oppose classroom CCW have actually listened to themselves speak. Off the job, carrying concealed is a logical defensive option that allows her to defend herself against opponents much larger than her. But on the job it is a danger to herself and everyone around her because students might overpower her and take a weapon from her that no one knows she has? Off the job, "you can't rape a thirty-eight." On the job, that same .38 becomes an inventation for spontaneous mass murder? Come on now.

People do realize we are talking about concealed carry here, right? Let's review:

American Heritage Dictionary
con·ceal (kn-sl)
tr.v. con·cealed, con·ceal·ing, con·ceals

To keep from being seen, found, observed, or discovered; hide. See Synonyms at hide1.

That means nobody knows it is there. You can't steal something you aren't aware exists. And even if it is found, most sources consider an attempt to steal a lethal weapon to be lethal force. There is as good of a chance of this weapon being used against you as there is of someone not highly trained successfully gaining control of the weapon. Most students are not Mossad. Likewise, if it is that easy for students to overpower someone and gain access of their weapon, the appeal for more armed security guards doesn't make any more sense than arming teachers.

Bullet resistant glass, metal detectors, armed security guards--all these things cost a lot of money and don't really provide any more security than simply allowing teachers to carry concealed in the classroom in the same manner as they would in other aspects of their daily lives. What we have now isn't working. The continued appeals to "think of children" come from those least willing to think logically, beyond the emotional rhetoric, at what has already been proven in other places to be a simple, common sense solution. Over six pages of debate here, and not a single logical argument has been made against this. And what disturbs me most is the hypocrisy of claiming these adults have the right to carry concealed unless they are teachers on the job, and using the same arguments against them that are used by every other bliss-ninny liberal sheep and soccor mom against us. Wake up. Sniff less glue and catch a clue.

 

[smince]

On the local news tonight, there was a story about how "safe" the local schools are. The school administrator showed how they have a "sign-in procedure" at the front desk and they require a photo ID. Oh, and you must have a "valid reason" to enter the school building. They are also just "a few minutes away from the Sheriff's Department".