SHTF crowd gets a little smaller

[elrod]

Will someone here convince me that the BATFE, if so motavated, could not make a case against a person who reloads his own ammo for his 20 or so firearms, has 2 teenage sons, and his mother in his household, of a conspiracy similar to the one in the OP? O.K., he is not an ex-felon, but what else is so different? The govt. is charging him for his intentions. Sure the "bubbas" pled guilty, but is that a plea bargian? I just don't see any basis (other than exfelon in possession, O.K.?) for bothering these guys. No, I wouldn't be there, but live and let live............

 

[pacodelahoya]

And whether you're an honest man, or whether you're a thief,Depends on whose solicitor has given me my brief.
Benjamin Franklin

 

[ok41]

OK, if ya'll gonna start bashin bubbas, then.....

FOR SALE: 1 tent, kinda used
Banjo, outta tune
6 month membership in beechnut chew club

 

[trueblue1776]

ok41-
Beechnut is for sissies, it's Days-o-work or Cannonball down here.

 

[gc70]

The govt. is charging him for his intentions.

Sorry, elrod, but the facts are different.

There were 14 charges in the indictment.

• Two charges were for conspiracy to make illegal weapons which were actually made (grenades and a silencer).
• Two charges were for making illegal weapons (grenades and a silencer).
• Seven charges were for possessing illegal weapons (grenades, grenade launcher, silencers, machine gun, and sawed-off shotgun).
• One charge was for felon in possession.
• One charge was for possession of 100 or more marijuana plants.
• One charge was for drug user in possession.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

and one of the guys own sons wore a wire wait till sentencing i uinderstand it relates them making a recon of a town where they planned on shooting part of the brown horde to show how "good maericans" should handle it

i suspect they had decent representation to get a deal this good
plus pleading guilty kinda answers some of the did they do it questions

 

[Carl N. Brown]

It would be nice to know all the details before mounting the soapbox.
But has that ever really stopped anyone?
My first suspicion is that what they pled guilty to is less than what
they could have been charged with: sounds like a plea was bargained.

And this is not like the Kenyon Ballew case, where the guy had
three inert grenades rigged to pop caps.

These guys admitted to having live grenades, silencer, machine gun,
100 pot plants.

However, it is always a good idea to double check such cases.

United States v. Davis, 313 F.Supp. 710, 714 (D.Conn. 1970),
in which the Court found that cloth, gasoline and bottles which
could be used to construct a Molotov cocktail were a combination
of parts in violation of section 5845(f). The Court concluded that
what Congress meant by the term "combination" was "an association
of the components of a destructive device, at the same time and
place, capable of being converted into a destructive device--
not an actual union of parts in an assembled device."

That is why, since I wear clothes and have a gasoline lawn
mower, I buy my beverages in cans.

 

[pacodelahoya]

So, of the 14 charges, none was for anything THAT BY ITSELF could have done any harm to anyone else.


They were growing pot, big deal, here in the great state of Pennsylvania, the state has a monoploly on alcohol.

They made grenades and machine guns. Again, the constitution protects that. I realize it is illegal, save that argument, but merely possesing them does not give the federal government the authority to arrest those guys.

Cdaddy, why why why were they not charged with conspiracy to commit murder if indeed there were tapes of it??? I'm not saying that they weren't mind you, but it would make me feel a lot better if they were going to do time for something that they actually did instead of for something that they had.

 

[ConfuseUs]

Somebody should have let those guys know that fighting fire with fire means you get an even bigger fire.

Also, will somebody make a sequel to Red Dawn only instead of evil Soviets and Cubans we have evil Sunnis and Shiites? The title would be called Green Dawn and it might do surprisingly well with environmentalists until they learn that green is the color of Islam?