SHTF crowd gets a little smaller

[BAT1]

Felons

Can't have guns or D/D's. I agree with that. But the other stuff, is a stretch. They should of had better lawyers, for sure. If they can do it to them, it is possible to do it to anyone of us. That is what concerns me. With the events in London, with domestic terrorists, it is only a matter of time before the start yelling it here. Watch your words, because some little guy is sitting here listening to us all. With all the news these days, I can see why they were concerned, but I sure won't rely on this govt to save me. If this is security, I'll take danger. I'll bet you'll see alot more cameras going up, and I wonder what legislation england is working on right now.

 

[Art Eatman]

Thread Title Edited To Reflect Reality.

Reality Is Good.

, Art

 

[yokel]

Irrespective of the crude stereotypes i.e. the slack-jawed mouth breather crackpot, the concept of a well trained, highly disciplined pro-liberty citizen militia still seems like a prudent move nowadays in my view.

A hedge against homegrown Hugo Chávez or Robert Mugabe aspirants.

 

[scubie02]

10-50 yrs from some yokels making homemade grenades seems a bit extreme given it doesn't appear they hurt anyone...

 

[igpoobah]

This is SO ironic! The government plays up nonexistent "threats" by unarmed men with no operational training, like the "Miami Seven," the "Fort Dix Six," etc. They set "threat level or'nge" in airports throughout the country and leave it there for two years straight. They consistently beat the drum that terrorists are a serious threat. So serious that we should give up our fourth-amendment rights against search and seizure, our right of habeas corpus, etc. So serious that it's worth spending a trillion dollars or so and losing more lives than 9/11 fighting a war in Iraq. So serious that anyone failing to vote Republican, or even questioning the "Decider Guy," is guilty of high treason.

And when a few rednecks in Alabama say, "We thought terrorism was a serious threat, so we decided to arm ourselves," the same government replies, through one of its appointed judges, by calling them paranoid whackos.

That could be the most coherent post I've read in a long time. Sobering, too.

 

[DMF]

And we see a "conspiracy." To do what? Have they actually done anything? Do you realize that if you say "I'm gonna kill him!" just in anger, without any intent to actually do it, to some friend of yours, and he says "me too," that it could be construed as a conspiracy to commit murder, should some prosecutor get a hair up his butt about you, and have ANY proof that you could, in fact, do it? Ah, conspiracy: the "prosecutor's darling," as it's known.

See this kind of irrational ranting is what makes these threads so tiring.

No you cannot be charged under the federal conspiracy statutes for merely discussing a crime and having the capability to do it. An element of proof in the federal conspiracy statutes is to show the the conspirators committed an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

You should learn something about what is actually required to prove a criminal conspiracy, and many of the other legal realities related to cases like this, before ranting about this stuff.

 

[Beachmaster]

James Ray McElroy, who lived in a makeshift tent near Dillard's ramshackle camper, said he "got together with some boys to make some grenades" not realizing it was illegal to have such explosives. He told U.S. District Judge U.W. Clemon they were scared "of a decline in the economy."

"We were just building them to protect ours and our own," McElroy said, adding, "We were also afraid of terrorists."

You would think they would have just bought 1 or 2 guns to protect their "makeshift tent and ramshackle camper" and spent the rest of their money on fixing up their housing, not wasting their money on making grenades and stockpilling weapons!

 

[gunsmith]

they should have said they were preparing for Zombies

Then all of us here on thr would have loved them.

They goofed up big time by trying to make grenades and machine guns...doesn't everyone know you wait until teotwawki to do those things?

Besides, the one guy lived in a tent. I doubt he was a member of THR

I lived in a tent on a mountain in rural west Cork County (Ireland)
for all of 1995, I think spending a long time away from creature comforts builds character!
Everyone always say I'm a character!!!

 

[pacodelahoya]

Who were they planning to hurt? Illegal immigrants.

Then why were they not convicted of conspiracy to commit murder instead of unconstitutional gun laws?

the NFA charges were good enough

Do you realize that you sound anti-gun, anti-freedom and anti-Constitution when you say that?


And quit yelling at me, if you wouldn't do it to my face, don't do it on the internet.






Budney, I live in Beaver county, pm me if you want to go shooting some time.

 

[Tommygunn]

Quote:
Who were they planning to hurt? Illegal immigrants. Then why were they not convicted of conspiracy to commit murder instead of unconstitutional gun laws?

Quote:
the NFA charges were good enough
Do you realize that you sound anti-gun, anti-freedom and anti-Constitution when you say that?
And quit yelling at me, if you wouldn't do it to my face, don't do it on the internet

I don't know if there was sufficient evidence to convict them of "conspiracy to commit murder." As I said, LEOs will often not allow a plot co continue if there's too much danger. Maybe THAT'S why they were charged with what they were.

I sound antigun???

I agree that the laws regarding machineguns are an infringement. Huh? What's that??!!!??!! Surprise!!!!!!!!!
Well yeah, but the place to debate it -- and to rectify the law -- isn't in a courtroom AFTER you've been charged with a potentially nasty crime, it's before you do that; WRITE YOUR KONGRESSKRITTERS. START A MOVEMENT -- GET LIKE-MINDED FRIENDS TO JOIN AND WRITE AND PUT PRESSURE ON BIG BROTHER!!!!
And then some people will regard you as a kook. But atleast you'll be a legal kook and not a tin-foil wearing nutsy militia Rambo-wannabe looney-tune.

Sorry if THAT sounds "antigun, anti freedom, anti-Constitution." to you. In fact I am none of that. Yes these NFA laws violate the Constitution and shouldn't be there -- but if you think the best spokespeople to obtain that condition is a handful of nuts who want to murder immigrants, your choice of spokespeople is truly lacking. Whether you like these laws or not they are on the books, if you are caught violating them you will be cuffed and stuffed. Militia morons who plot to shoot Mexicans are never going to convince any politician, or law abiding citizen that the NFA laws are bad; quite the opposite. The people will happily leave those laws fully intact to keep maroons like that off the streets.
Pick your friends better.

As for "And quit yelling at me, if you wouldn't do it to my face, don't do it on the internet."~~ Just how do you know I wouldn't do it to your face?????

 

[HiroProX]

And this removes some of the worthlessly stupid elements from the SHTF crowd.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Militia morons who plot to shoot Mexicans

Again, says who?? The prosecutor??? They have never been known to lie.

Just how do you know I wouldn't do it to your face?????

Ok, maybe you would.......once.

 

[Tommygunn]

Again, says who?? The prosecutor??? They have never been known to lie

I can only go by what the news claims. For all I know they might have been planning to blow up the Taj Mahal in India. Not all prosecutors are Nyphongs, though.
Look, they pleaded guilty. They probably had public defenders, but, still they had their chance to go to court and have their say, and claim they weren't planning to shoot Mexicans. They didn't contest it. They DID, however, plead guilty, and in the eyes of the law, they did what they were convicted of.
Can prosecutors play fast and loose? Certainly Mike Nyphong did -- in a serious and major way. But not all prosecutors are like Nyphong.
I am not clairvoyant; I get news just like everyone else from the TV news, cable news shows, some newspapers, and of course, the internet. Can cr@p happen on the news?
April 15, 1912 newspaper headline after the sinking of the Titanic:
"All Saved From Titanic Disaster."


That ain't how I recall that disaster!!!!!

It's an old problem; the news sometimes does a SNAFU.
I am just saying that the Alabama Free Militia was plotting to attack Mexicans, because I got it on the news, along with a zillion other people. If you believe the news is wrong, please take it up with them.
I'm just another of their victims.....

 

[trueblue1776]

Strange...some of the stuff we put together as kids would probably be classified as hand grenades these days. A different world, it is today.

Biker

Amen, I could have been a felon when I was 12. How bad would that suck?

Thread Title Edited To Reflect Reality.

Reality Is Good.

, Art

Thanks, but I doubt that trend will ever catch on.
P.S. you took away my joke

 

[Prince Yamato]

I'll admit it, I have a bias against hand grenades. I really fail to see their utilitarian purpose in a civilian sector. To elaborate, they're not particularly accurate in a civilian defensive situation. As in, someone breaks into your house, you're not going to toss a hand-grenade into the living room. Also, the potential for collateral damage is MUCH higher. I really don't care that Bubba and Botard had handguns and a silencer, but I get antsy when someone is making homemade bombs to protect "us and our own". I mean, if it was a machinegun charge, I might have believed him, but you live in a freakin' tent and you're making hand grenades... GUILTY.

I think spending a long time away from creature comforts builds character!

Yes, but did it build unregistered hand grenades as well?

 

[AntiqueCollector]

I'll admit it, I have a bias against hand grenades. I really fail to see their utilitarian purpose in a civilian sector. To elaborate, they're not particularly accurate in a civilian defensive situation. As in, someone breaks into your house, you're not going to toss a hand-grenade into the living room.

The Second is also about defense against a tyrannical government, foreign invasions, everything imagineable. Not just home defense against burglars. Hand grenades are protected by the second (in fact, Ben Franklin even made some interesting ones during the Revolution that would fragment and also blast out old nails/bits of metal/etc.). If these people were in fact planning on doing something bad with these weapons, prove it, in court, is what I say. Otherwise, charging them with illegally making weapons is just trampling on the Constitution.

 

[nemoaz]

These guys are felons now so that means Ron Paul is back to having only two supporters.

 

[Biker]

I'm one of 'em...supporters, that is.

Biker

 

[Kentak]

Homemade grenades?

Reminds me of the joke, "What are a redneck's last words?"

"Hey, Bubba, watch this."

 

[Prince Yamato]

The Second is also about defense against a tyrannical government, foreign invasions, everything imagineable. Not just home defense against burglars

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. What I'm getting at is the potential for accidents with hand grenades is far greater than with other weapons. The thing is, these guys aren't at war with anyone or facing an iminent invasion. They live in a tent and have no safe means of storing the hand grenades either. I don't mind that you own these things, just make sure you store them in a blast-proof safe until you are ready to use them.

 

[gunsmith]

hand grenades are great fun

when we got to play with them during basic
all these NCO's who had been in Nam took all the fun out of it
by yelling get down and acting all worried because 17 year old kids were being handed hand grenades

These guy didn't want to shoot immigrants!

No one is that concerned about immigrants from non Muslim countries...it is illegal criminals coming over the border that concerns most hand grenade fans

 

[Sodbuster]

Right on, budney. The poor judgment of making hand grenades is equaled by the hypocrisy of a federal judge. Does this judge imply that TSA and the WoT can be tossed in the waste basket?

 

[ServiceSoon]

These guys are felons now so that means Ron Paul is back to having only two supporters.

I'm the second and I guess final supporter.

 

[Sindawe]

nemoaz should revisit his mathamatical studies, as apparently he can't count. Ron Paul supporter #3 here.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Let's not turn this into a Ron Paul thread.(#4 here)