SIG P226r .40 S&W or KIMBER Ultra Carry II .45 acp

[fatfreddiescat]

I've accumulated a few more handguns than I'm thinking I need. I have a Sig P226r in .40...and, I just got a Kimber .45 Ultra Carry II. I also have an EMP 9mm. What is (any) a reason to keep the Sig now that I have the Kimber. The Sig holds 10, the Kimber 7. [~I'm in CA ] Is there a good reason to keep a large frame (Sig P226 in .40) AND a compact Ultra Carry in .45? I love the way the Sig shoots, and I'm a good shot with it. I'm a little less accurate with the Kimber, but it is a .45, and a 3" bbl. I'm still all 7 within 6" @ 35' with it, but I'm all 10 within 3" at 35' with the Sig. (I just got the Kimber, and will be getting better with practice.) It sure is a lot easier to carry the Kimber (CC)!

So, do I keep the Kimber and the EMP, or keep 'em all? I can sure use the $$$, but I think prices are NOT going down anytime soon.

I know its an opinion thing. And I like 'em all. But is it really a practical idea to keep all autos, and three wheel guns too? (The wife's, but mine to shoot!)

BTW...the Kimber and the EMP use the same holsters! They are both 3" 1911's!

Thanks for your thoughts.
:banghead:

 

[9mmepiphany]

Is there a good reason to keep a large frame (Sig P226 in .40) AND a compact Ultra Carry in .45?

not really...unless you need a gun you can depend on

if you're using them for SD/HD, you'll be better off getting rid of the Kimber. the 226R will be more reliable and require less maintence.

if they are just range guns, keep whichever you like the best. be aware that a .45 sized 1911 starts to have timing issues when the barrel gets shorter than 4.25"

the 3" barreled EMP isn't the same animal as the 3" barreled Ultra. the action of the EMP is sized to the cartridge lenght of the 9mm and so is it's action's timing.

 

[Chargersbee41]

Hello I have a Kimber pro tle rl and it is a fun gun. Also I have a Taurus pt100. The Taurus holds 11+1 so it is a good 40cal but the Kimber is a 8+1 better handling pistol I think. Carry what you like and works for you.

 

[vzwnnj]

Either will do just fine.defensively..assuming you are comfortable with the reliability of each.

the accuracy you quote if perfectly fine for defensive purposes...those are not bullseye guns you're talking about. If what will happen, and be honest, is that you buy another gun with the money...why sell any of them

 

[fatfreddiescat]

not really...unless you need a gun you can depend on

if you're using them for SD/HD, you'll be better off getting rid of the Kimber. the 226R will be more reliable and require less maintence.

if they are just range guns, keep whichever you like the best. be aware that a .45 sized 1911 starts to have timing issues when the barrel gets shorter than 4.25"

the 3" barreled EMP isn't the same animal as the 3" barreled Ultra. the action of the EMP is sized to the cartridge lenght of the 9mm and so is it's action's timing.

Yeah-I started out getting a this and a that, trying to find that 'perfect' HD/SD weapon, and ended up with 6. 3 are wheel guns, and my wife never gets rid of ANYTHING, so I know I'll be owning those for life. Went through a couple of 'rat guns~mouse guns, like a tomcat and a Sig P232, but really thought that they just didn't have the power, so off to gunbroker they went! lol!

I've kinda seen a lot of high ended reviews on the Kimber Ultra, and it IS a lot easier to carry concealed. What I'm hearing you say is that you believe that the Sig is a more reliable weapon, and that the Kimber might present ejection problems, or at the least timing problems. If that is the case, I would probably keep 'em all, because, as I said, the Ultra Carry is a real easy carry piece, whereas the Sig is a hefty large framed weapon, and tough(er) to conceal, albeit a great home defense weapon. (And, any MONTH now, Andy Aratoonian is sending me an IWB holster for the Sig-hope it makes it a better carry proposition. The old Englishman charges a small fortune for his work, but I hear its second to none!)

Thanks
F

 

[fatfreddiescat]

Either will do just fine.defensively..assuming you are comfortable with the reliability of each.

the accuracy you quote if perfectly fine for defensive purposes...those are not bullseye guns you're talking about. If what will happen, and be honest, is that you buy another gun with the money...why sell any of them

No-not another gun. The economy sez that "save up for that rainy day" .... and I think that is a good idea. The Sig, ($1050)...with the Laser-Max internal ($399) the Hogue Finger Groove ($80) and the Hogue Rosewood basket-weave grips ($130) put this Two-Tone Sig P226r at about an easy $1K on gunbroker, plus I have about 800 rounds that I can trade locally for food for my .45 and my 9mm. So I could load up on ammo, and probably put a grand in the bank, but the idea is to first ensure good HD/SD. So if that takes keeping all 3, (9mm, .40 & .45) then that's what I'll do. I just thought that the Kimber would be actually a better HD weapon, due to the increase in slug size. And the easier concealment.

 

[9mmepiphany]

i didn't mean to rain on your parade, i just didn't want to to sell of a superior defensive gun (the 226R) and have a gun which is really a better "extra" gun. i happen to like the 1911 platform alot, but i know that i'm not diligent enough to have it as a everyday carry piece.

i would think that the EMP would fill all your carry needs outside of the house...just load it up with 124gr Gold Dot or 127gr Talon ammo and you should be good to go.

for a .45 carry gun, i have long used a Sig 220 and would choose a XD45 if i were looking for something less expensive

 

[fatfreddiescat]

9mmepiphany...................

Understood....no rain here~I'm just learning when I can. Let me ask, you said, "be aware that a .45 sized 1911 starts to have timing issues when the barrel gets shorter than 4.25"".....what type of timing issues would I want to be aware of? Extraction timing? Recoil timing? Danger of jamming/stovepiping, fail to fire?? As to the other two guns~~~The EMP is a 1911 clone also, but I do understand that it was built on a 9mm platform. I love mine, and think its a great gun. But, I did have about 4-5 stovepiped/1/2 entered rounds during the first 250-300 rounds fired. After about 300-350 rounds it cleaned up, and eats anything I feed her now, and eats in a hurry! lol! The Sig, of course, is a great, finely engineered machine. And I had never heard of any such problems with 1911's shorter than 4.25" but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to be made aware of such issues.

So, if you could define what issues I should be aware of the possibility of occurring with the Kimber, I would be grateful for the info!

Thanks in advance,
F

 

[fatfreddiescat]

BTW... I'm in N CA also. Buy stuff at Diamond Jims, and Grundmans.

 

[9mmepiphany]

i'm not quite that far north...i'm down in Sacto

the timing is between the speed of the slide/barrel in recoil and the column of rounds in the mag.

the increased speed and reduced length of available travel of the slide throws off the feeding cycle and increases the chances of failures to feed.

i remember reading something from Bill Wilson once about the minimum length barrel that he would guarantee function with was 3 5/8"...and they were talking about frequent recoil spring changes (like 4-500rds)

 

[Lonestar49]

The most Bang/return for your buck..

...

I'm assuming all 3 guns have passed the 500 flawless round mark..?

That being so, and you need money, IMO, the SA EMP 1911 9mm is the gun that will bring the highest dollar, being there is a strong demand for them, but not a lot of NIB ones around.

That would leave you the 7+1 round Kimber 45 and the 10+1 round Sig P226/40.

The best 2 to have/keep IMO, caliber wise.

OMMV,

Luck,



Ls

 

[9mmepiphany]

That being so, and you need money, IMO, the SA EMP 1911 9mm is the gun that will bring the highest dollar, being there is a strong demand for them, but not a lot of NIB ones around.

if you choose to got that route, let me have first shot...assuming you're not into it too "heavy"

 

[okierifleman]

Get rid of the SA if you have to get rid of one.