Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by rjk2475, Dec 12, 2018.
Is there a replacement for this handgun?
What kind of replacement? New model? New frame and calibers?
The gun has been discontinued. I'm looking for a current production DAO with similar trigger pull and capacity; not a Kahr.
Why not get a 250? You could probably find one for 20 bucks. I think it's one of the best defensive triggers ever made but the market wants strikers.
SIG replaced it with the P320.
The P320 is not what you wanted, but it's what SIG gave you.
You may want to look at the HK line-up for their LEM versions of the USP/USPc, P2000, P30, HK45.
Beretta has offered the PX4 in a C (the big "C" meaning "Constant Action" not compact though they do offer a compact), and a D model that is double action only, though both are fairly rare.
I like the Sig P320 better than the P250.
The main difference is the P250 is a DAO is too and the P320 is striker fired. Even though it's striker fired the trigger is very good because they are using the trigger from the Legion line in the normal P320 pistols.
EDIT: Ignore the statement about the trigger I posted above, apparently it is incorrect. Sorry for the mistake!
The trigger in the SIG P320 is not remotely like the P-SAIT trigger that is used in the DA/SA hammer-fired Legion pistols in form, design, or function.
Here is the P-SAIT:
Here is an upgraded trigger for the P320:
There are some for sale on Gunbroker. I'm not sure what caliber you're looking for, but there's a 9, 40 and 45.
Umm.... how does that work?
tried a P320; do not like the trigger for a CCW.
CZ2075 Rami would be suitable replacement.
Is it DAO?
When the internet scare of the P320 possibly firing when dropped hit Sig did a callback to fix the trigger assy. They installed the really nice trigger assembly that is normally supplied in the Legion pistols. I like the trigger and IMO it's the best striker fired trigger I have shot. Granted, I'm not a semi-auto guy so I have not fired dozens of striker fired pistols but a few.
Edit: I can't remember where I read this or I would link to it. If I'm mistaken its because the article was incorrect and I apologize, no deception intended.
Sorry about the incorrect info on the trigger, it was unintentional.
Legions are traditional SIG DA/SA or SAO trigger systems and are entirely incompatible with the 320 striker trigger system. That's like saying they took the Smith model 39 trigger and put it in the M&P striker guns.
The only way a Legion trigger could even be used in this regard would be as inspiration. Perhaps that's what the article you read said... that they were trying to match the clean break of the Legion triggers with the 320. They are good striker triggers for sure. But the Legion is far better in my experience. And they are entirely distinct designs, parts, etc
There are still Sig 250's out there if having a discontinued pistol is ok with you. I think most manufacturers of da/sa autos had a da only model or two some point.
You might want to try and call Sig. They might offer the option to convert one of their P series into da only.
A few non-Kahr dao options not mentioned yet: sccy cpx2, keltec p11, boberg r9. Used to be a few more, but like sig, most are moving to partially-cocked strikers.
Of the 3 mentioned I have a sccy, never handled the others.
P229/P226 in DAK, close to the same size as the P250. Shot them side by side. Trigger is pretty close. and the P series is production still. IF you get a standard P226, i have all the DAK parts you need to convert minus the grips (which sa/da grips will work with the dak) i could mail to you
It appears they also discontinued the DAK.
oh, i did not know that. like i said. i got all the DAK parts if you need them. Just pay for shipping and they are yours. I do not need them if you go that route.
As a side not, the P226 and P229 are in DAK as LEO trade ins. they are normally around 400. i got one and they are in clean shape. could go that route
The entire assembly of the P320 fire control unit is even less remotely similar to the internals of the DA/SA SIG hammer-fired Legions than the trigger shoes are. I mean, the only way in which there is any similarity whatsoever is that there is this curved, stick like thing that when you pull on it the pistol goes bang. The fire control unit of the striker-fired P320 does not have one single part that is interchangeable or even similar to the internals of the classic P series pistols.
For your information, the P320 has had three different triggers since its introduction. The original trigger shoe had a thicker profile than the current trigger when looking at it from the side but was hollowed out on its backside all the way to the tip. The original trigger shoe also left an opening in front of the shoe exposing the bottom of the grip module. This trigger caused trigger finger sting in some shooters and was modified by SIG.
The second iteration of P320 trigger shoe was called the "adverse" trigger. It had the same lateral profile as the original but added a "mud flap" to the front of the shoe that served to protect the inside of the grip module from dirt entry. The adverse trigger was also "filled in" on the back at the tip. This trigger seemed to solve the trigger sting issue but added some mass to the original trigger.
Then came the drop-fire issue. Among other modifications including the addition of a disconnector and a change in sear geometry, SIG reduced the mass of the trigger shoe in order to reduce its inertia. The newest P320 trigger, the "low mass" trigger shoe, is much thinner in profile than the first two and much thinner in profile than the Legion DA/SA triggers. It is once again hollowed out on the back side all the way to the tip. I have experienced some trigger finger sting with this new trigger but inconsistently so, and I have heard of a few other individuals who have had the same experience.
Short answer - (as far as I know, & I’ve looked) there is not a major manufacturer currently making a DAO hammer fired double stack subcompact; everything currently is striker fired.
Longer answer: I have several P250’s and have frames and slide assemblies in all the size & calibers. Given it’s a SIG, I expect support of the upper components (slide & barrel) for a couple of decades, and the frame/grips, holsters or magazines are compatible with the P320 so aftermarket support for accessories will be there at least as long as the US military contract continues. Personally, the fact that the P250 isn’t in current production doesn’t bother me, but I can understand the OP having that criteria.
There is such a handgun.
That is not a DAO handgun.
Both Beretta and SIG Sauer have manufactured DAO versions of their hammer-fired pistols in the past. I have a Beretta mini-Cougar 8000D 9 mm DAO. I'm sure that one of these could be found used without too much trouble as could a SIG P250. The polymer-frame, hammer-fired Beretta PX4 D (double action only) and C ("constant action") models might be the closest thing to a SIG P250.
P229 are in DAK as LEO trade ins
How do you find these; it would be great to be able to examine.
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