Sig P250
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Ala Dan
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Our shop has not seen one, yet~! 
I just got my new Guns & Ammo in the mail, and as soon as I saw this thing on the front cover i about peed myself. I'm really impressed with the design as a whole.
For those who haven't heard anything about it, some of the features include:
-modular FRAME.. yes frame. There are 3 different frame sizes available: small, medium, and large. The slide rails, trigger mechanism, ejector, etc. are all in a modular steel assembly that hides within the modular frame. It's basically just a big piece of polymer that is used as a grip and a light-rail.
- two different trigger sizes available. One is smaller for smaller hands/fingers.
-ambi slide release and reversable mag release.
-spurless hammer that hides in rear of slide until trigger is pulled
- smooth, but long 6 lbs. DAO trigger with "short reset." I don't know if this is similar to a Glock or HK LEM trigger, but I hope so. I like the idea of a light DAK-like pull for safety, with really fast follow-up shots due to the short reset. Best of both worlds IMO after a little practice....
-unique rear sight mount, tritium sights soon available.
- 15+1 9mm available right now, with other calibers coming soon
- same mags used for all 3 frame sizes, which is convenient for a husband and wife for example who want to share the same mags and shooting techniques...just different frame sizes for different sized hands.
- Ergos and grip texture seems perfect.
This thing just looks great. It has a clean look, nice ambi controls, and the Sig name and reliability backing it. Definitely another great option. I personally have been waiting forever for a thin, high-cap, 9mm pistol from a respected manufacturer. I can't wait to see just how thin the smallest frame actually is, along with how short the trigger reset is. Those will be the two factors I will be looking at most carefully. I'm hoping the thinnest/'smallest grip is actually no wider than the slide itself. Weight and price are other numbers I'm waiting to see... Should be a great selling pistol if it lives up to its claims.
For those who haven't heard anything about it, some of the features include:
-modular FRAME.. yes frame. There are 3 different frame sizes available: small, medium, and large. The slide rails, trigger mechanism, ejector, etc. are all in a modular steel assembly that hides within the modular frame. It's basically just a big piece of polymer that is used as a grip and a light-rail.
- two different trigger sizes available. One is smaller for smaller hands/fingers.
-ambi slide release and reversable mag release.
-spurless hammer that hides in rear of slide until trigger is pulled
- smooth, but long 6 lbs. DAO trigger with "short reset." I don't know if this is similar to a Glock or HK LEM trigger, but I hope so. I like the idea of a light DAK-like pull for safety, with really fast follow-up shots due to the short reset. Best of both worlds IMO after a little practice....
-unique rear sight mount, tritium sights soon available.
- 15+1 9mm available right now, with other calibers coming soon
- same mags used for all 3 frame sizes, which is convenient for a husband and wife for example who want to share the same mags and shooting techniques...just different frame sizes for different sized hands.
- Ergos and grip texture seems perfect.
This thing just looks great. It has a clean look, nice ambi controls, and the Sig name and reliability backing it. Definitely another great option. I personally have been waiting forever for a thin, high-cap, 9mm pistol from a respected manufacturer. I can't wait to see just how thin the smallest frame actually is, along with how short the trigger reset is. Those will be the two factors I will be looking at most carefully. I'm hoping the thinnest/'smallest grip is actually no wider than the slide itself. Weight and price are other numbers I'm waiting to see... Should be a great selling pistol if it lives up to its claims.
Man With A Gun
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I'm excited for these. Price point should be on the high end of comparable to all the other plastic wonder guns.
I'm a Sig dealer. You guys want me to poke around and see about getting a bulk buy ordered for when they're first released?
I'm a Sig dealer. You guys want me to poke around and see about getting a bulk buy ordered for when they're first released?
GotGlock
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IDK man, i love my sig, but this thing dosn't get me all hot and bothered. Sig will most likely want 700-800 bucks for it, and i doubt it will do anything better then a G19. If your talking Sigs, stick with the P series.
Highland Ranger
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just read the article myself - not sure I get what's revolutionary about it . . . . . looks nice, no doubt, but just another pistol with interchangeable grips.
Black Majik
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I honestly don't get it either. I've been reading all the whoo-ha over at SIGForum, but I don't see it's niche. Does it fit the subcompact niche people's been looking for? Or the revised polymer niche of the semi-failed Pro series?
It's gonna be tough to steal some of the market from Glock, SA XD, HK, or even walther. Honestly, it reminded me of the new Walther compact pistol, which didn't wow me much either.
Guess I'll wait. Maybe it'll surprise me like the M&P did.
It's gonna be tough to steal some of the market from Glock, SA XD, HK, or even walther. Honestly, it reminded me of the new Walther compact pistol, which didn't wow me much either.
Guess I'll wait. Maybe it'll surprise me like the M&P did.
Modular.
I was wondering how long it would be until a handgun maker took the "modular backstrap" idea one or two steps further. I'm not clear on how much of this design is interchangable, but it would seem like a great idea. Make the gun just a bare-bones frame, and allow it to be built up in customizable fashion by the owner.
Mike
I was wondering how long it would be until a handgun maker took the "modular backstrap" idea one or two steps further. I'm not clear on how much of this design is interchangable, but it would seem like a great idea. Make the gun just a bare-bones frame, and allow it to be built up in customizable fashion by the owner.
Mike
In response to Black Majik's talk of it needing to fill a "niche"...
Why does it need to do this? I don't see why alot of pistol owners/shooters get so rattled when a new product just hits the market. I have taken part in ALOT of recreational activities, and from my experience with different products and industries, the pistol industry seems to have the fewest options and configurations available along with the slowest innovation from the manufacturers. Why question what niche a new gun will fill when you, the consumer, now have more options when it's time to buy a new gun?
With that being said, this new Sig is just another option. It looks to be a great one at that. It has all the right combination of features that right away make it more desirable to ME, the consumer, over lets say a G19 (since that's the gun most are comparing it to). The size, current caliber and capacity, trigger system, the unique modular ergonomic capabilities, ambi controls, etc, etc. make this a better option IMO than any of the new HKs, M&Ps, Glocks, or other poly-framed guns. It's all about the options...thank God for options
Why does it need to do this? I don't see why alot of pistol owners/shooters get so rattled when a new product just hits the market. I have taken part in ALOT of recreational activities, and from my experience with different products and industries, the pistol industry seems to have the fewest options and configurations available along with the slowest innovation from the manufacturers. Why question what niche a new gun will fill when you, the consumer, now have more options when it's time to buy a new gun?
With that being said, this new Sig is just another option. It looks to be a great one at that. It has all the right combination of features that right away make it more desirable to ME, the consumer, over lets say a G19 (since that's the gun most are comparing it to). The size, current caliber and capacity, trigger system, the unique modular ergonomic capabilities, ambi controls, etc, etc. make this a better option IMO than any of the new HKs, M&Ps, Glocks, or other poly-framed guns. It's all about the options...thank God for options
Autolycus
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I have heard it will be near the Pro series in price. This was on another forum.
I was curious as to whether this will accept magazines from the Sig Pro series. I hope it does as that may give me another option.
I was curious as to whether this will accept magazines from the Sig Pro series. I hope it does as that may give me another option.
I cringe when I see things like this. You have a company that has taken itself to the top of the firearms game because they have created a proven, effective design. Now that they have reached the top of their game, they take everything that got them there and throw it out the window in favor the latest tacti-cool trend.
Another tupperware peashooter is the last thing that the market needs, especially when it is done at the expense of the classic pistols that sig earned its reputation for.
Another tupperware peashooter is the last thing that the market needs, especially when it is done at the expense of the classic pistols that sig earned its reputation for.
Where did you hear that they were going to stop making the 'Classic' series?
As much as I like my P228, I'd like a smaller grip and a rail, so this seems like a good thing. I had been looking at the M&P, but I'll wait and see what the Sig feels like.
FJC
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I can see them coming out with frames that allow a full-sized magazine, and frames that allow a sub-compact/compact sized magazine. Buy one gun, configure it as a 15-round full-sized for the winter months or weekend gaming - then in the summer, swap the frame and use the same pistol as a compact for easier concealment.
usp_fan
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The SIG P250 and the H&K P30 seem to be coming at the same set of problems from slightly different angles. The P250 uses completely swapable frames, while the P30 swaps back straps and side panels to achieve grip size adjustments. Both use a light double action system with quick reset. I've been wanting a 9mm so I'm interested to see what the price is and how the frames feel on each of these as they hit the market.
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Looks very interesting, but what's it really got over a P228/229 other than weight reduction? I love my sigs for their top-notch build quality and very good accuracy, but IMO their ergos leave much to be desired. They also seem to completely avoid producing a true subcompact pistol for some reason. Looks like a great alternative for those who hate Glocks (like myself)!
My question is this: how do I know which frame size and trigger length I want? DO they have a bunch at the store to try? How much are the other frames? If they are say $20 or $30, then I'd be willing to gamble. If they are $80 or $90, then I'm not so sure. I do like the fact that they trigger and striker mechanism is easy to remove. Should make cleaning and lubing much easier.
Scorpiusdeus
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I am completely underwhelmed by he Sig P250.
9mm only (at this time), double action only, and for me, not CA compliant.
Memo to Sigarms:
The people want a SUBcompact, polymer, DA/SA or striker fired, handgun in multiple calibers.
Think P2000Sk, Glock minis, XD's ect.
If this is Sigarms answer to Springfield, Glock and HK, they look stupid.
Once again we are left at the alter.
9mm only (at this time), double action only, and for me, not CA compliant.
Memo to Sigarms:
The people want a SUBcompact, polymer, DA/SA or striker fired, handgun in multiple calibers.
Think P2000Sk, Glock minis, XD's ect.
If this is Sigarms answer to Springfield, Glock and HK, they look stupid.
Once again we are left at the alter.
I never said the P series was going anywhere. What I did say was the these new "avenues" that sig is exloring is at the expense of what they are known for.
Quality control is down, every pistol now must have a tacti-cool rail, anything worth while must have a beaver tail. I wouldn't be so put off if they didn't fudge with what works. However in the name of progress they decided to fix what wasn't broken.
Sounds interesting, I'll check one out, but I don't think I'm going to be first in line to get one.
Look at the parts prices for other Sig stuff, there's no way a complete albeit modular frame section is going to be $30. If they're smart, they'll ship dealers extra frames in various size (colors??) so they can swap them out for customers when they purchase one. Then whatever size they sold, they get from Sig in a couple of days (week?) with their usual shipment.
TX1911fan said:
Look at the parts prices for other Sig stuff, there's no way a complete albeit modular frame section is going to be $30. If they're smart, they'll ship dealers extra frames in various size (colors??) so they can swap them out for customers when they purchase one. Then whatever size they sold, they get from Sig in a couple of days (week?) with their usual shipment.
Highland Ranger
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If modular = ar15-like that might be interesting if there were other options for plugging and playing something other than grips. But I don't see that happening.
And maybe the grip flexability is a great thing for LEO's or military doing a big buy.
But for an individual, who can just make sure a new gun fits and alter selection accordingly . . . . well again, I'm missing it.
And that G&A author who said it was revolutionary but didn't really say how . . . . . . well I guess credability is shallow where advertising dollars are at stake.
And maybe the grip flexability is a great thing for LEO's or military doing a big buy.
But for an individual, who can just make sure a new gun fits and alter selection accordingly . . . . well again, I'm missing it.
And that G&A author who said it was revolutionary but didn't really say how . . . . . . well I guess credability is shallow where advertising dollars are at stake.
usp_fan
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Over on the "other" forum that talks about SIGs, the director of marketing for the company has said these will have a September release date. Also stated that other calibers to include .40, .357 sig, and .45 will be coming online in the future.
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G95
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if the 250 was available without a useless light rail i would try one out, as i have been waiting for a lefty friendly sig for a long time, i guess i will have to resort to a 229SAS instead because it looks like rails are here to stay
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