I only buy guns I can take apart by myself. This has kept the Sigs out of my hands. That and the ridicuous position of the decocker, which I continually think is the slide release. This P250 though, looks very easy to take apart and clean. Has no decock. And I love Sig triggers. So, I think I might really like this one.
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...and how is offering a new pistol done "at the expense of" what they've done before, provided no older models are cancelled? I guess I just don't get it.
As to the grip changes and rails, this gun is obviously aimed at the duty gun market. If you're going to be ahead of the curve in that market, your duty gun candidate better have a rail, and be able to accomodate hand sizes from a 5'0" 110 lb woman to a NFL linebacker, and everything inbetween. I recognize that this is of limited benefit to someone who can find a gun with a fixed grip that fits his hand and who never hands a light on his gun, but that buyer is not the primary target market.
DAO likewise has a following in the duty gun field (I strongly dislike it...instead of having a crappy trigger pull followed by nice light ones, let's make them ALL crappy)(yes, I know...I'm exagerrating, and some DA pulls can be pretty sweet). DA/SA seems to be falling out of favor (thank God, IMO), too.
Mike
The older models are cancelled. I can no longer get a P series sig with a stamped slide and no rail.
As far as the "duty" market, I can't remember the last time I saw a cop or agent carry his pistol with a light on it. Quite the contrary, anytime a light is needed they usually pull out the surefire or maglight. I realize the "market" is going this way but I don't think the market is following what consumers want. A quick search over at sigforum confirms this.
I just can't understand why if sig still does make standard frames for their DAK anti-snag series why they can't make it an option for their regular pistols. They still have the equipment and still produce them.
Between this, the 556 debacle, declining quality control and the hundreds of tacticool edition (blackwater
) pistols that they are producing, things are going downhill.Best handgun trigger? A 1911. 
Close runner-up to the BHP.
Seriously, though? Trigger feel is, after a certain point, all subjective. I'd never try to insist that one gun or another has a better trigger. I will, however, tell you what ones I like and dislike. The problem is that each person will do that and give you different answers. After you reach a certain level of quality, there is no right or wrong, it's all about which works best for you.
That said, I'll give my utterly unscientific and complete subjective rundown of duty gun triggers with which I have fiddled around.
M&P: Love it, after it is cleaned up by some dryfiring. I was reminded of how gritty and busy the trigger feels at first when I fist played with my new M&P40C. S&W might well be saving money in the finishing department by not working the burrs and hitches off of the trigger mechanism, but I cannot help but wonder just how many purchases they lost when people went in, picked up a brand-new display gun, pulled the trigger and went "Ehh." It's a good trigger, once you work it a little. Also, it is amenable to easy improvement by a gunsmith.
Sig DAK: Not bad. I don't recall being really impressed, but I also was not put off by it. It was pretty clean (not very busy or gritty).
HK LEM: I think I played with one once. It was OK.
Glock: I have a Glock 20, which was set up with the standard trigger, which has since been replaced by a 3# trigger. The whole thing is spongy, creepy and vague. Even the break seems oddly drawn out. Can you get used to it? Sure. I got used to driving my wife's 95 Nissan Sentra, too. Doesn't mean I liked it. Seriously, I can't really find anything good to say about the Glock trigger, except that it is not overly heavy. Note that many people do use Glock triggers to great effect, and there are many who can outshoot me with it. I just don't like 'em.
S&W Gen 3 DA/SA and/or DAO: Most of my experience is with the 4506, but they all seem pretty similar. The DA pull is long, stiff, with some stacking and grit. The break is crisp. The SA is really short and pretty stiff (for a SA). Lots of overtravel. The DAO models seem exactly the same, with no SA and a somewhat shorter pull.
S&W99: Blah. Nothing bad, but nothing really memorable.
XD: Pretty good. Had a bit of plasticy feel like a glock, but it was more clean and defined. Broke smoothly. It seemed conducive to pretty good accuracy.
Of course, these are as-issued. I have no idea what a smith could do to some of the triggers.
Mike
Close runner-up to the BHP.Seriously, though? Trigger feel is, after a certain point, all subjective. I'd never try to insist that one gun or another has a better trigger. I will, however, tell you what ones I like and dislike. The problem is that each person will do that and give you different answers. After you reach a certain level of quality, there is no right or wrong, it's all about which works best for you.
That said, I'll give my utterly unscientific and complete subjective rundown of duty gun triggers with which I have fiddled around.
M&P: Love it, after it is cleaned up by some dryfiring. I was reminded of how gritty and busy the trigger feels at first when I fist played with my new M&P40C. S&W might well be saving money in the finishing department by not working the burrs and hitches off of the trigger mechanism, but I cannot help but wonder just how many purchases they lost when people went in, picked up a brand-new display gun, pulled the trigger and went "Ehh." It's a good trigger, once you work it a little. Also, it is amenable to easy improvement by a gunsmith.
Sig DAK: Not bad. I don't recall being really impressed, but I also was not put off by it. It was pretty clean (not very busy or gritty).
HK LEM: I think I played with one once. It was OK.
Glock: I have a Glock 20, which was set up with the standard trigger, which has since been replaced by a 3# trigger. The whole thing is spongy, creepy and vague. Even the break seems oddly drawn out. Can you get used to it? Sure. I got used to driving my wife's 95 Nissan Sentra, too. Doesn't mean I liked it.
Seriously, I can't really find anything good to say about the Glock trigger, except that it is not overly heavy. Note that many people do use Glock triggers to great effect, and there are many who can outshoot me with it. I just don't like 'em.S&W Gen 3 DA/SA and/or DAO: Most of my experience is with the 4506, but they all seem pretty similar. The DA pull is long, stiff, with some stacking and grit. The break is crisp. The SA is really short and pretty stiff (for a SA). Lots of overtravel. The DAO models seem exactly the same, with no SA and a somewhat shorter pull.
S&W99: Blah. Nothing bad, but nothing really memorable.
XD: Pretty good. Had a bit of plasticy feel like a glock, but it was more clean and defined. Broke smoothly. It seemed conducive to pretty good accuracy.
Of course, these are as-issued. I have no idea what a smith could do to some of the triggers.
Mike
Interesting. First time I heard that. Query, what is the objection to the rail, anyway? Weight, or mere aesthetics?
LE is slowly but surely coming around to the idea of lights on guns not being just for SWAT anymore. Administrators had long resisted the idea for the following reasons:
1. Money.
2. Looks Scary.
3. Money.
4. You Don't Need Them (or, "It's Always Daytime when I Go to My Comfy Office").
5. Money
6. Someone might use a weaponlight as a flashlight (sadly enough, this is semi-valid
)7. Money
and, finally,
8. Money
Nevermind that poor use/misuse of the lights is a training issue. Nevermind that Rule 4 always applies. Nevermind that shooting the wrong person costs a lot more money than a flashlight does. Nevermind that shooting with one hand is almost always less accurate, and that misses can be very expensive indeed. Nevermind that it is dark for, on average, 12 hours out of every day. At the end of it, flashlights and new holsters cost money, and therefor they are very reluctant to buy them.
I dunno either, if they've stopped.
Oddly enough, the Sig pistol in our T&E did not fare well. Hmm.
Mike
ccmdfd
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Can you elaborate?
Thanks
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modifiedbrowning
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Go to their website, nary a non rail pistol to be seen except for the non snag series.
Oh, I believe you. I just don't know why they would not offer it as an option. That sort of business decision has always baffled me. Rather than pick a standard model, price it well, and offer slight variations with enough of a price hike to cover the cost, manufacturers just offer the base model. Makes no sense to me.
The pistol (sorry, I don't know which model off the top of my head, but it was all steel, DA/SA and in .40 cal) experienced some reliability issues in the durability phase of testing. After two or three trips back to Sig for repairs, the ordies said "Thanks, but no thanks." I don't know what the malfunctions were.
I don't think the Ordies were to happy with the Sig reps, anyway. That, and the gun also wasn't scored very high by the evaluating officers (anyone who wanted to go to ordnance and shoot the gun). IIRC, the Glock and the S&W99 scored higher. All three kinda added up to be a no-go for Sig.
Mike
Man With A Gun
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Clipmags For P250
Any idea if SIG is going to let us use the P226/228/229 mags (clips for those who don't know) in the P250?
Any idea if SIG is going to let us use the P226/228/229 mags (clips for those who don't know) in the P250?
Stamped was for economics. And speaking as a dealer, the railed guns sell a whole lot better.
A lot of people complain on the internet about not having the pure old school models, but sales don't seem to follow. Everybody who wants a purist gun, already has one.
They're not doing anything weird with this one as far as deliveries. It looks like each of their dealers will get 5 right off the bat.
Master Blaster
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I would be very cautious about buying a new untested SIG.
SIG has had some serious QC problems recently. You dont want to be the Beta tester for a new SIG.
JMHO YMMV.
SIG has had some serious QC problems recently. You dont want to be the Beta tester for a new SIG.
JMHO YMMV.
Thad
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Not in Canada yet but I will get one once it is here.
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I would be very interested in the Sig 250 when it is manufactured in 45acp!
mosesv2
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Sorry to dig this up, but it seems like the original stated time for releasing this pistol has come and gone & I have not heard anything about it....
Is there a Sig fan out there who knows when these will hit the street?
There are two things that are compelling to me about this design:
1] CARBINE!! Think about it... yeah, it would make a great platform for either Sig or an aftermarket outfit to produce a carbine kit..
2] Compact Sig .45 that is lefty friendly. Yes please.
Is there a Sig fan out there who knows when these will hit the street?
There are two things that are compelling to me about this design:
1] CARBINE!! Think about it... yeah, it would make a great platform for either Sig or an aftermarket outfit to produce a carbine kit..
2] Compact Sig .45 that is lefty friendly. Yes please.
varoadking
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Such is the way of SiG...
KelTecian
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I like it, I might replace my G23 with one when they come out in .40
Sox
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I think some shakeup interanally at Sig, as it has changed its name back to "Sig Sauer". They were reengineering the European version. This was to allow one size slide to be interchanged between calibers, thus allowing easier transition between holsters. Michael Bane on Downrange TV will be showing his range report supposedly later this week. I can't wait for this thing personally.
zeroskillz
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I just talked to my Sig rep about them, and he guessed that Shot Show would be the likely release for them.
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Been out shooting production 250s at the Sig Academy...it is a sweet gun...darn light and a GREAT trigger...even I can swap out grip frames, which is the big test...I think they said Sig is out of the blocks with four separate gripframe configs and two trigger configs (the short trigger option is available).
I have handled the .45 protos, but I have not shot one...I'm holding the 250 videos until I get this onw edited!
Michael B
I have handled the .45 protos, but I have not shot one...I'm holding the 250 videos until I get this onw edited!
Michael B
PCRCCW
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Finally....Sig made a plastic gun the way they should be.......Like a KelTec!
Think Im kidding........look into it!
shoot well and god bless
Think Im kidding........look into it!
shoot well and god bless
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