Pulse
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the SIG552 is a wee bit over 60cm/24inch with the folded stock and about 85cm/33inch with the stock fully extended.
btw, get the 553 SOW not the 552.
Sig pulls a fast one again......
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the SIG552 is a wee bit over 60cm/24inch with the folded stock and about 85cm/33inch with the stock fully extended.
btw, get the 553 SOW not the 552.
rellascout
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The 522 is an airsoft rifle converted to run 22lr.....
I would not touch it with a ten foot poll....
I would not touch it with a ten foot poll....
rellascout
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Israeli parts are inferior to the Swiss parts.. Period.. Some are better than others but the majority of the ones imported into the US are knockoffs.
As for buying or not buying the rifle I am not buying one. I was interested in the Classic because it appeared to be the closest to the Swiss rifle from the factory. It comes with real sights etc....
But now that I see what Sig is really doing I am going to pass. What I am trying to do is get the real info out there. Sig certainly is not going to give it to you...
I know a lot of people are looking into the 556 Classic so I thought I would let people know. Next time I will simply keep my info to myself so I don't offend people like Evil.
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As for buying or not buying the rifle I am not buying one. I was interested in the Classic because it appeared to be the closest to the Swiss rifle from the factory. It comes with real sights etc....
But now that I see what Sig is really doing I am going to pass. What I am trying to do is get the real info out there. Sig certainly is not going to give it to you...
I know a lot of people are looking into the 556 Classic so I thought I would let people know. Next time I will simply keep my info to myself so I don't offend people like Evil.
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Is that true? Got a link?
rellascout
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http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/630601935/m/7351071051/p/2
1. Here is an article in one of the biggest gun magazines in Germany saying that it's the same company manufacturing both of them: http://www.visier.de/1532a.html.
Maybe they're wrong and you're right...
2. THEY ARE CALLED GERMAN SPORT GUNS. THEIR WEB SITE CAN BE FOUND HERE: http://www.germansportguns.de/index.php?id=10100
3. And yes, I am an unfortunate owner of a Mosquito. I haven't sold it because I can't bear myself to to pass it on to someone else. Maybe mine's a lemon, but it truly is a POS.
My experience from shooting and playing with a GSG-5 is that it's pretty obvious that GSG took one of their fairly decent airsoft rifles and turned it into a .22. As a .22 version of an airsoft rifle, it's decent, as an MP5-clone, it's a joke.
So no, I'm not ranting about guns I've never owned or shot, I'm just giving MY opinions based on MY experience.
But like I said earlier, if it's better than the GSG and Mosquito, I might get one. I'm pretty sure where not to get it though...
1. Here is an article in one of the biggest gun magazines in Germany saying that it's the same company manufacturing both of them: http://www.visier.de/1532a.html.
Maybe they're wrong and you're right...
2. THEY ARE CALLED GERMAN SPORT GUNS. THEIR WEB SITE CAN BE FOUND HERE: http://www.germansportguns.de/index.php?id=10100
3. And yes, I am an unfortunate owner of a Mosquito. I haven't sold it because I can't bear myself to to pass it on to someone else. Maybe mine's a lemon, but it truly is a POS.
My experience from shooting and playing with a GSG-5 is that it's pretty obvious that GSG took one of their fairly decent airsoft rifles and turned it into a .22. As a .22 version of an airsoft rifle, it's decent, as an MP5-clone, it's a joke.
So no, I'm not ranting about guns I've never owned or shot, I'm just giving MY opinions based on MY experience.
But like I said earlier, if it's better than the GSG and Mosquito, I might get one. I'm pretty sure where not to get it though...
GTSteve03
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Is it still impossible to get these with chrome-lined barrels? 
nwilliams
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The GSG-5 is far better than the Mosquito I owned. My friend and I both bought GSG-5's around the same time last year and after thousands of rounds between the two of us the gun has had almost zero malfunctions. My friend recently went about 2k rounds between cleanings on his GSG-5 and the gun continued to cycle flawlessly despite being one of the dirtiest .22's I had ever seen.
People who think that the GSG-5 is crap because it was built by a company that builds high quality Airsoft guns needs to actually try one out instead of making assumptions with no personal experience to back them up. I have yet to hear any sold credible complaints about the GSG-5's quality, most of the complaints come from people who have probably never even owned or even fired one. You talk to almost any GSG-5 owner and I bet they are going to tell you how much they like the rifle.
Man this thread has taken some wacky turns, what was the original topic again
outerlimit
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Couldn't agree more, I'd sooner buy a gun made in China than a gun made in Israel. Who knows where the hell the parts from Israel assembled guns came from. It's like buying a gun made in Iraq.
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What's wrong with that? They had Yugoslavian built factories and machines to build Zastava's line of AK's and PKM's.
rellascout
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Nwillaims,
I think it is right on point. I personally think that Sig is cheapening its name. They are looking to make a buck off of the tradition and reputation of the Swiss-German company and are substituting inferior production up and down the line to do it.
The 556 Classic and the 522 are prefect examples..... Sig certainly has done a lot to hide the fact they did not make the Mosquito... I bet they will do the same with the 522.
I think it is right on point. I personally think that Sig is cheapening its name. They are looking to make a buck off of the tradition and reputation of the Swiss-German company and are substituting inferior production up and down the line to do it.
The 556 Classic and the 522 are prefect examples..... Sig certainly has done a lot to hide the fact they did not make the Mosquito... I bet they will do the same with the 522.
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I cant believe anyone still bothers with SIG at all. They suck, and so do their recent guns.
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nwilliams
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Have you personally tried all there recent guns? Can you give reasons why they all suck or is it just what you heard on the internet
Sorry I don't mean to be rude but if you're going to make statements like this then you should try and back yourself up with some credible information to prove your point.
I find it funny how so many people who actually own a gun in question absolutely love it and yet people who have absolutely no experience with the gun in question will swear up and down that it sucks. Personally I'd rather listen to the people you actually can speak from experience. People are too quick to judge based on what they read on the internet, nobody likes to find out for themselves anymore.
Pulse
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again:
SIG551-1 LB Rifle: CHF. 2'995.00 (USD 2650$)
that is all Swiss made parts with known quality, Sights, no Rails, if you want it tacticool, you have to pay for that. ->
4-rail handguards -> CHF 675.-
Reciver Top Rail -> CHF 215.- (at least they are both Tenifer treated)
Side folding collapsible stock -> CHF 395.-
we are at CHF 4280.- wich translates to USD 3789$
but you also might want a Cheek Raiser that fits the stock, right? -> +CHF 217.-
since you removed the, preaty good, bipod by replacing the handguard, you also want one again? -> + CHF 222.-
thats a additional 400$ right there and that is the Rifle bare without any Laser, Optics, foregrip or Can.
there is a reason that Rifle is so expensiv in countrys that allow there Citizens to own them..
so what do you expect from a Rifle that was once sold for 1500$ and only got above the 2k mark by the election of a certain person?
btw, we, the swiss, recently bought all shares that concern us out of the SIG company, wich it self was sold to a investment group, and made a new company, SAN - Swiss Arms.. because we did not like what SIG was doing either.
SIG551-1 LB Rifle: CHF. 2'995.00 (USD 2650$)
that is all Swiss made parts with known quality, Sights, no Rails, if you want it tacticool, you have to pay for that. ->
4-rail handguards -> CHF 675.-
Reciver Top Rail -> CHF 215.- (at least they are both Tenifer treated)
Side folding collapsible stock -> CHF 395.-
we are at CHF 4280.- wich translates to USD 3789$
but you also might want a Cheek Raiser that fits the stock, right? -> +CHF 217.-
since you removed the, preaty good, bipod by replacing the handguard, you also want one again? -> + CHF 222.-
thats a additional 400$ right there and that is the Rifle bare without any Laser, Optics, foregrip or Can.
there is a reason that Rifle is so expensiv in countrys that allow there Citizens to own them..
so what do you expect from a Rifle that was once sold for 1500$ and only got above the 2k mark by the election of a certain person?
btw, we, the swiss, recently bought all shares that concern us out of the SIG company, wich it self was sold to a investment group, and made a new company, SAN - Swiss Arms.. because we did not like what SIG was doing either.
Certainly, if I buy a 522, I expect it to be made to the same spec and durability of the 556.
Otherwise there is no point.
Otherwise there is no point.
By the way, thanks for the length info, Pulse!
rellascout
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I agree with you 100%.... I had not heard that the Swiss divested themselves but that is no surprise tom e.
They are expensive but there are many who are willing to pay the cost.... I paid a pretty penny for my Colt 6920 and then paid for rails, then paid for a BUIS, then paid for better stock, then paid for the right scope with the right mount....... There were tons of people willing to drop $3000 on the 556 if they did it right. Sig set the price point where they did so they could get govt and LEO sales away from the AR market.... They did exactly what I described MB doing in the 90's.... We want a 556 rifle that will cost us no more than X and will sell at Y.... Now go cut the corners and make it happen
The issue is that Sig is attempting to market this as something comparable....when it is not even close. I think that Sig is going in the wrong direction. I have not seen many positives from the in the last 3 years....
They have have all but abounded the core principles that made Sig well..... Sig.... I am not sure they even know what the original P series pistols look like anymore.... It is pretty sad IMHO.
HorseSoldier
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Quality control is a sadly hit and miss proposition with Arab industry . . .
Pulse
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i am kind off wondering just how "bad" the 556 is?
when you buy a SIG551 for the above mentioned price you get a Rifle that is:
handtested for Finish, assambly and function, that can, factory guaranteed, shoot a 24 round group at 300meters that does not exceed 11cm center-to-center, fired in less then 30seconds off a Vice and has a average barrel life expectancy of 30k rounds before replacement.
you can also expect your rifle to keep on working after your fired 15k round without cleaning regardless if it is +60C or -40C.
soo.. anyone put there 556 through any 'torture test'?
when you buy a SIG551 for the above mentioned price you get a Rifle that is:
handtested for Finish, assambly and function, that can, factory guaranteed, shoot a 24 round group at 300meters that does not exceed 11cm center-to-center, fired in less then 30seconds off a Vice and has a average barrel life expectancy of 30k rounds before replacement.
you can also expect your rifle to keep on working after your fired 15k round without cleaning regardless if it is +60C or -40C.
soo.. anyone put there 556 through any 'torture test'?
nwilliams
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Who says it's bad? You talk to most 556 owners and bet you they really love their 556 and I have yet to read any negative reviews about the gun from any credible source. People get ticked off because the 556 doesn't look like the other 55* rifles but they fail to realize how similar it actually is.
Here's a very good article describing the 556 and how it is similar to it's older siblings, in particular the 550.
http://www.gunsandhunting.com/CivilianSG550.html
One of the big differences between the construction of the 556 and the other 55* rifles is the receiver. However I wouldn't say that its a bad change in any way. Updating an older rifle to design to accept AR mags wasn't a bad idea at all, I'm glad they did.
From article above:
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Pulse
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i am not saying that it is bad as in "meh, that sucks"
rather i think that a 1.5k rifle can not be made to the same quality a 3k rifle can be made.
and i am trying to figure out where SIGARMS USA is cuting corners and how mutch they impact performance.
sad, but the rest of the world can.. they are legal in a suprising amount of countrys with little or no modifications.
your northern neighbors love the rifle and many up there consider it as Pinacle of the 5.56 designs.
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I would. Most of you seemed to have glossed over the fact that sig is using the aluminum reciever for the locking insert. Aluminum doesn't fare well at all when repeatedly impacted with hardened steel. Cutting corners like this is going to result in cracked recievers. There really isn't any excuse for this at all.
PILMAN
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Um your comparing Israel a 1st world westernized nation to a 3rd world country like Iraq? Israel is very modern and industrial, that's quite an insult to even compare it to Iraq. Not all of the middle east makes junk or uses old stuff ya know.
It's night and day, it's like comparing Japan to China in quality control.
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