Sighting In the 30/30

[GooseGestapo]

Shawnee;
I sight in all my cf's to hit about 2.5-3" high at 100yds. However, all my hand guns which have irons have 6oclock sight ins. I've taken deer to 100yds with a .357mag. using the 6oclock hold you mentioned. I'd never thought of doing it with a rifle, but I just may try it this year with my .35Rem.

FWIW, it took a nice 8pt last year with my .35rem at a measured 225yds. I held in line with the spine and bang-flop. But then I'd shot the gun on a 188yd range behind my house and got 1.85" 3-shot groups in the target dot. (Handload with 200gr Remington Corlokt at 2,300fps). This is the longest shot I've taken with the 35Rem. I've killed several deer at over 200yds with the .30/30, however.

My brother (who took the largest whitetail either of us has ever taken with his Win. M94 last year, a 10pt w/19"spread and over 225lbs) and I now consider the .30/06 and it's siblings and progeny -MAGNUMS-, and seldom hunt with ours. If I'm not hunting with either the .30/30 or .35, I've perhaps got my RemM-7 in 7mm08 or either a .223, .22-250, or even my .22Hornet if just hunting meat does.

It's not the "noise" that kills them, it's the shot placement!

And when you're over the hill and over 50, the lighter weight and lower recoil rifles are just that much more appealing.

But, then, we're just "preaching to the choir"; And way-way over the heads of the rest.

 

[Shawnee]

Hey GG...

What scopes do you have on your 30/30 and your Model Seven ?

 

[moooose102]

i know that savage chambered their bolt-action in .30-30.

i cut my hunting teeth with one of those rifles. My dad borrowed it from one of my uncles when i was 12. I wish i had that gun.

but see, modern deer are about 3 times tougher then they were 100 years ago.

i know, it is terrible when out of the woods steps a nice buck with a big "s" under its neck! I then have to fumble through my hunting gear to get out that silver titanium pointed bullet!

 

[Shawnee]

Here Ya go, Mooose...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=113924578

 

[Quickdraw Limpsalot]

"The point I was trying to make is that folks who sight in a scoped .223, .243, 7mm Mag, 30-06, or other flat shooting rifle to be dead on at 50 or 100 yards is making a mistake."

Maybe... unless you don't anticipate having a shot available over 100 yards, which is most often the case in my "neck of the woods."

 

[rcmodel]

Regardless, there is still nothing to be gained by not taking advantage of the maximum PB range of a flat shooting rifle when you sight it in.

If you don't, it's like buying a Corvette and then sawing a wood block to fit under the gas pedal so it will only run 30 MPH.

rcmodel

 

[Shawnee]

Hi Quickdraw...

For what it's worth... The stats below are for the 200gr. RN Core-Lokt from a .35 Remington at Remington's stated muzzle velocity of 2000fps.


Remington's “short range” chart figures

50yds. +0.5
100yds. ZERO
150yds. -3.5”
200yds. -10.7”

Remington's “long range” chart figures

100yds. +2.3”
150yds. ZERO
200yds. -6.1”
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Using Hornady’s ballistics calculator and the BC for their 200-grain RN

50yds. +2.6”
100yds. +4.1”
175yds. ZERO
200yds. -3.5”

In this case the shooter would ask themself if they want to sight in for a 100 yard "zero" and deal with the -10.7" of drop at 200yds. or do they want to set the "zero" at 175 yds. and deal with the 4.1" high at 100yds.
Or split the difference with a 150yd. "zero".



Looking at one of the "flat-shooters" - the .270 with 130-gr. Spitzer bullets the stats look like this...

50yds -0.3”
100yds ZERO
200yds -2.4”
300yds -9.3”
400yds -21.3”
500yds -39.5”


50yds +1.0”
100yds +2.6”
200yds +2.8”
275yds ZERO
300yds -1.5”
400yds -11.0”
500yds -26.6”

With a 100yd. "zero" the drop is -9.3" at 300yds. and that's getting dicey on deer. Even the drop at 250yds will be 5' or 6".

With the 275yd. "zero" the drop at 300yds. is an inch and a half. And the in-between distances have deviations from the point-of-aim of only about 3.5" high at the most. So the user of a "flat-shooting" caliber doesn't gain anything by sighting in at 100yds. but they do give up the primary advantage of using such a caliber.

HTH

 

[Quickdraw Limpsalot]

My point is simply that if I sight my .35 Remington in at 100 yards and virtually NEVER get a shot longer than that where I hunt, why worry about the other numbers? I see your point... it just doesn't apply to me.

 

[Shawnee]

You're right, Quickdraw - nothing wrong with your Logic at all. You know what your territory is like.

I just put the numbers up there as an illustration of RC's comments.