Sig's got a new gun but do they?

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Thanks for the merge. I didn't see the first one. Looked, but not good enough.
It was late. I apologize.
Still think my thread title was better though lol
 
The SIG and the CZ pictured look a bit alike, but they're absolutely different internally -- not the least because the CZ is a hammer-fired gun that can be user-converted from hammer/safety to decocker mode and back very easily.
 
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Not a surprising development, especially when you consider Sig has been trying to find a way to make a significant entry into the segment of the LE/Gov market that's wanting plastic-framed pistols. Their plastic hammer-fired guns haven't ever really made much of an impact in the US, and their experience to-date with their modular plastic guns probably hasn't been as desirable as had been hoped.

It's got a list of features becoming popular among LE users, and the ability to offer some alternative features, as well.

Sounds exactly like what it was intended to be, meaning being tailor-made for the LE/Gov service pistol market.

Unless it's priced similarly to the Glock and M&P, though, it's going to be an uphill road.
 
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Yep, if the p320 can't be had for around $500ish, then I won't be interested. I have a m&p, g23, sr45, and ppq. I purchased all of those at prices just above $500 or under and I just can't imagine this unproven new kid on the block being worth more than those.
 
"Magazine Disconnect Safety"

they can keep it
- Four additional optional safeties round out the P320 safety system:
- Tabbed Safety Trigger
- Frame-mounted ambidextrous Manual Safety
- Loaded Chamber Indicator
- Magazine Disconnect Safety

looks like mag disconnect safety is optional.
 
I have owned, and still own several SIGs. Every one of them has been flawlessly reliable. More specifically, I own all three sizes of the P250 series. I have transitioned to them as the primary pistols I used for concealed carry. IMO, the long trigger reset is their only weakness. The P320 will correct that and offer a shorter trigger pull and crisper release to boot. After they have proven themselves in the field, I will likely replace my 3 P250s with 3 P320s.

As to the magazine disconnect comment made by some, I believe they have confused the safety requirement of mag removal for field stripping with magazine disconnect when changing mags. Two very different features.
 
Twenty years ago in Oregon a deputy sheriff extolling the virtues of his SIG assured me SIG would never make a "plastic" gun like my Glock. I guess SIG finally got Glocked hard enough in the head to realize where the future of design and sales will be.:D
 
I don't think this is supposed to be earth-shattering. Realistically striker fired guns have become the norm. Glock started it. S&W, Ruger, Walther, and FN have all come on board. If SIG wants to compete for the same contracts it makes sense for them to have a striker fired gun.
 
I owned both a full-size & compact M&P as well. Excellent striker-fired trigger system. Only their lack of pointability for me due to the grip angle forced me to give them up. My P250s were their replacement.
 
Early speculation about the P320 was mostly lukewarm, as the above posts show.

So now I own one and can report: it is superbly built, a very robust pistol. Using the Individual Officer Program, it comes in around $530 with three magazines, so it is competitive with other popular striker fired pistols.

The P320 is "modular" and uses the same grip frame module as the P250 and can be switched from small to medium to large. The P250 generally is praised for its ergonomics and quality but damned for its very long DAO trigger, and has not achieved great sales success. But the P320 is not a P250 with a striker, it is a different critter than happens to share the grip frame module of the P250. It has a very different trigger - relatively short, light, and crisp, with a very positive reset -- and of course the firing mechanism is a striker and thus the trigger pull is the same each time. I'm learning more about mine, but it one benefit of the trigger design is that it is exceptional for rapid fire strings.

The P320's modularity may be useful to the individual buyer but is more beneficial to a police department or agency that needs pistols for a large group of differently sized people. However, every owner will benefit from the modularity of the firing unit in that it can be removed for cleaning, and simply sprayed with a CLP and allowed to drain out and then reasserted into the grip frame.

The P320 is very easy to take down. It truly does not need to have the trigger pulled to disassemble (S&W advertises that its M&P does not need a trigger pull to disassemble, and that is true, but many people take the shortcut of pulling the trigger to save the time of removing the grip frame tool or finding a substitute to flip the yellow lever). This feature on the P320 should appeal to police departments, because NDs during disassembly continue to be a problem and are associated with one popular brand of striker-fired pistols in particular.

Intended for law enforcement sales, where Sig's P229's once ruled in departments and agencies that are well funded and don't need to buy inexpensive guns, the P320 is a "sleeper" that I think is going to grow in popularity as its reputation spreads and overcomes the initial weak start. Maybe Sig is late to the party, but departments swap guns often enough that Sig can catch the next wave. Civilian sales are off across the entire market, at least compared to recent years, but the next election cycle (2014/2016) is likely to spur another tranche of pistol sales -- and once people realize the P320 is a good quality and affordable alternative to Glocks and M&Ps, I think it will gain market share.
 
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Is it the exact same frame?
I'm just wondering because CDNN has or had P250 compact grip frames for $19
I'm not sure what the MSRP is though.
 
If SIG is to remain a viable gun company they have to make a product that will sell in the marketplace. The market share of the all-metal guns is going down, hence they have to follow the crowd with polymer frame guns. As Walt Sherrill mentioned above, Polymer frame guns is the future because they are cheaper to manufacture and I might add , just as reliable.
 
I have the SIG P225, P228, and SP2022 which has the best trigger of the bunch and is just as accurate and at less than half the price because it is a polymer framed gun. It is a real winner in my opinion. The P320 does fill a niche for the SIG polymer frame line-up and should sell.
 
Seems like a p250 designed to be operated by the lowest common denominator.
I'm failing to see the issue here. That is where the market is.

In an age where buyers/users eschew the presence of external safeties and the need for routine maintenance, what else can a manufacturer take away from their research.

FWIW: I'm getting reports that the P320 is a very good shooter, even with a rough trigger. Grayguns is already working up a package of modifications to turn it into a match winning pistol without compromising reliability (spring values) or safety (engagement surfaces)
 
I handled one and was soooo close to buying it, but I'm not a huge striker-fired fan. It is a very solid and robust pistol. Certainly not trying to win the war on being the lightest duty sized pistol on the block.

I loved how it felt in my hand, but I have enough duty sized polymer pistols and couldn't justify it.

I could see how LE might gravitate toward it. Alleged SIG reliability of the 226 with the modular design on the 250, yet comes in the more preferred striker design AND comes in at a price point closer to Glock, M&P, FNH, etc.
 
If you go to the sig website and look at ALL the products....you can see why I don't care.

They are going to start running out of 3 digit numbers soon.
 
I have the SIG P225, P228, and SP2022 which has the best trigger of the bunch and is just as accurate and at less than half the price because it is a polymer framed gun. It is a real winner in my opinion

The SP2022 has the best trigger of all? Really? I just got one and love it. I have to admit that so far with only 3 weeks and about 1k rounds through it, I am far more consistently accurate with the SP2022 40 than I am with my M&P40 which I've been shooting for 3 years almost weekly. I was afraid I'd have to "graduate" up to an all-metal Sig to truly see if it gets any better.

I guess I don't need to. (yay)
 
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