Since when did Kimber quaility go down the tubes?

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I HAD A Pro carry2, lotsa lotsa trouble.
External extractor, jams galore, KIMBER (DENNIS in the custom shop, A very NASTY person.) refused to pay for return shipping, started to question the way I was maintaining the gun. wanted me to replace all springs (at my cost) and let them know. traded it for a GLOCK 26, been VERY happy since.

Same gun same issues. Dennis sent me two different extractor designs all the time saying this is some kind of isolated incident. Clearly there was a problem and they were trying different extractor designs to fix it. Well non of the worked. Sold that POS got a DW PT-CBOB that has been flawless

ETA: "All of your page 3 are belong to me"
 
No issues with my Warrior, but it was also made in the original design with none of the Series II crap added in.
 
" We turn out 1,000 pistols a day"

In their "dreams". :rolleyes:

Production numbers are posted by the BATF. They produce between 40-50,000 pistols per year if I recall.

Or, they don't work many days per year. ;)
 
Liked mine, but REALLY liked the Para wayyyyyy better.
That was almost a decade (???) ago, wow, time flies.
 
To me there are two issues. First, the gun came to the dealer with a number of problems. At Kimber, either no one looked at the gun before shipping it to the dealer (no QA at all), or the gun was QA'd but the QA standards were so low that it passed and was shipped. Either is unacceptable in my view (as a former QA manager).

But the real problem is that when the defects were discovered, annotated, and demonstrated, Kimber did not stand behind it. If it were me, first I'd fire the QA team. Second, I'd hand pick as good a gun as I could find and ship it to the customer ASAP.

Result, more motivated (new) QA team, happy customer spreading the news about how Kimber goes the extra mile, and increased sales.

The final thing is to find out how a gun like that got made in the first place. Are there others? Who is examining the parts before assembly? If barrels are sub-contracted, call the sub and do a little chewing...and look at every barrel and send back those that are bad.

Sheesh! This is not rocket science, folks. Before long, people will find out what a wonderful gun a (Sig, XD, CZ, ??) is and your sales will stop. Everyone knows that a good reptutation is much harder to build than it is to (a) maintain (b) create.

PS: I've found that when finances get tight, the first thing to go is documentation, the second is QA.

-terry
 
No issues with my Warrior, but it was also made in the original design with none of the Series II crap added in.

Apart from a crystal safety and a nasty tritium rear sight, I believe all my other Kimber issues related directly to a specific Type II part. They steadfastly maintained that the Type II could simply not be the problem.


The mere existence of the Warrior is enlightening in ways they likely never intended.
 
Precisely argued, Hawk! If the Series II parts were not causal to the problems, what possible motivation existed for Kimber to create the Warrior, and to extend then to the Dessert Warrior and let's not forget the Match Target (I think it's called). Three (3) new Series I Kimbers in as many years. :confused: Okay. Now, my Warrior is excellent. As I have said, it's my nightstand pistol. But, it's a Series I. Maybe Kimber will drop the Series II before the company loses too many customers.

Getting rid of the MIM parts may not help in reliability, but it can't hurt either. I'd rather the take the money saved in that extra step of creating series II out of series I, and redirect it to using barstock parts. Just a thought...but what do I know...I'm only their customer base. Anyone else here ever been contacted by Kimber for your opinion? I didn't think so. Kind of odd. As a former Mustang 5.0 owner, Ford contacted me pre-the-4.6L engine to asked my thoughts Re: the 5.7L versus the 4.6L before making the change away from 5.0L!

Let me throw out another positive of Kimber...just imagine the popularity of a stainless steel Warrior?!?!?! Offer the chamberings in a choice of 9MM, .38 Super, 40 S&W, 10MM or .45ACP! Checker the front strap, lose the bumped grip safety, and put an arched mainspring hosing. That would have to be one of the sweetest pistols ever created! As I said, I am not anti-Kimber...they just need to make some improvements.

Doc2005
 
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IMPROVMENT NUMBER 1:

Give Dennis some lessons in customer SERVICE, dont blame the victim, or argue that the gun is fine, "it must be you".
 
IMPROVMENT NUMBER 1:

Give Dennis some lessons in customer SERVICE, dont blame the victim, or argue that the gun is fine, "it must be you".


NOTE: something went wrong with my computer, forgive the multiple posts.
 
Doc2005:

I've been inspecting the pictures you posted of your Pro Raptor. Wow!

I've seen guns in better condition after the Guns & Ammo torture test.:what:
 
We turn out 1,000 pistols a day.

Maybe they're counting multiple warranty returns?:D

Or perhaps he meant to say "We turn down a thousand pistols a day?":evil:

Back in 2002, with Colt's on what seemed to be end stage life support, I went shopping for my first clone.

I am a fan of Commander sized 1911A1s, so I was looking at a Kimber CDP as opposed to SA Champion Loadeds. At the counter, the clerk clears the CDP and locks it back on an empty magazine and hands it over. I look it over and it appeared to be a nicely finished weapon. Then I dropped the slide and the magazine rocketed out of the well. Not a good sign. Then I looked at it more closely, with a bore light down on the mag catch. Part of it had been sheared by the seating of the mag and it looked like bad pot metal. Definitely not bar stock machining anyways.

I wound up buying a Springer, saving about $150 in the process. I had an easy decision to make after seeing a Kimber fail during routine administrative handling. Three primary factors also swung the deal. One was that Imbel had done a magnificent job of machining the pistol I bought. Definitely not a Monday morning or Friday afternooner. Second, every component on it was properly installed as far as I could eyeball it. Ejector was pinned, plunger tube on straight and solid, the firing pin retainer was snug, the slide stop was properly marked by previous slide overrides, everything looked straight and true with no strange rub marks on the front of the slide from the dustcover or anything. Final clincher is that aside from a genuine Colt's repo or a used gun, it's about the closest thing to a Series 70 that one can buy off of the shelf. There is a ramped barrel, which I am indifferent about, the ILS, which has never been switched on, and there was a FLGR, which I knew I'd be dumping.

That gun has become my favorite 1911A1. I jokingly refer to it as my "Brazilian supermodel" Of course, as a 1911A1 owner I couldn't leave well enough alone and now the Champ is bushingless, FGLR-less, and features a mixed lot of premium American made aftermarket parts including, a Wolff recoil and firing pin spring, Wilson BulletProof extractor, an Ed Brown ambi safety, reverse plug and GI guide, a Cylinder & Slide pin set, sear, sear spring, and disconnector. The pistol has been to Robar once and its aftermarket non spring parts once. I just sent in its slide to Robar to get it NP3d. Despite trying to sell it last year during the dire need for a medical copayment, I wound up hanging on to it and am I ever glad that I have.

Oh, did I mention ZERO malfs ever?

I only mention the mods because the Springer's lack of tinkering with basic design (Series 80, Series II, or external extractors) allows for easy shadetree gunsmithing. Extractors in particular, a well known bugaboo with many companies not bothering with spring steel, are particularly easy to change on Springers. The only true oddity besides the ramped barrel, is the ILS, which I have left intact as it has never proven to be a problem.

Oh yeah, a big part of the decision was also "Deb." SA's customer service is more or less a constant presence at 1911forums.com. That is invaluable and SA treats it's 1911A1 buyers like these folks know how their weapons work, because frankly, most of them do. That's worth having to put up with "FI Brazil" on the bottom of the dust cover.

Then again, I have never needed SA's warranty service either.:D

I still wish Colt's would get its act together enough to see more than one example at a time on a local shelf or a table--when one sees them at all, but until they do, my Springer will continue to serve.

Kimber need not apply.
 
How 'bout the crummy warranty?

Kimber's warranty, the worst of all 1911 makers :barf:

This is directly from Kimber's website:

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What is Kimber's Warranty Information?

Kimber firearms and accessories have a limited one year parts and labor warranty. Should you experience a problem within one year of purchasing a new Kimber product that cannot be resolved by speaking with the Kimber factory (Call (914) 964-0742 and ask for Warranty Service. There is not a toll free number for this purpose.) it will be necessary to return the item to the factory for evaluation. Kimber does not authorize any dealer or gunsmith to attempt repair or adjustments to Kimber products, and non-factory adjustments or modifications will void the warranty.

Shipping cost to return an item for service is the responsibility of the owner. Kimber will pay return shipping cost.

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Not exactly confidence inspiring is it?

You couldn't sell me a Kimber at half of MSRP! And yes, I have shot them as rentals, but to me they are a way over-priced & shoddy from what I read here and on other boards.

Oh yeah, I handled a nib Kimber once and I cut my thumb on the slide stop due to lousy QC. I mean the gun drew blood just from handling it.

I'll pass on the Kimber's made in Yonkers NY 1911's.
 
<sigh>

Kimber is the only 1911 "misadventure" I've experienced. The SA loaded and Colt 80 ran fine and remain stock.

The DW "project gun" came out well, even the RIA restricted its problems to a mag catch - I needed practice fitting a McCormick catch anyway.

As far as fit, function, accuracy, trigger-action, 100% reliability go, my STIs have been outstanding. Even the customer service is great. I have, except for one thing, become an STI fanboy.

That one thing? The Kimbers are soooo much prettier. The Eclipse, especially with those Carbon Creations Blue/Black grips, looks fine. Even the "problem child" Ultra CDP looks good. It pains me that I won't buy another Kimber as the Raptor just looks really good to me. As do many of thier models.

Just call me "Shallow Hal", I guess.
</sigh>

My EDC is an STI VIP. It looks as plain as a mud-rail fence next to Doc's Pro Raptor. That shouldn't bother me but...

Somebody needs to steal whoever's in charge of Kimber's cosmetics and send him to Georgetown. Quick.

:eek:
 
My full size Kimber TLE II has been flawless, even through the break even period. Internal extractor, bought a few years ago.
 
If I don't buy another Colt, next time I will buy the receiver, slide and remaining parts from Caspian...LIFETIME warranty...fitting available.

http://caspianarms.com/

Do you all like "Warriors"...check this sweetheart out: http://caspianarms.com/specials.html XR Kits...they should be rated..."XR" for << 'xtra rico >>, at $575.00!!!!

Care to guess who supplies Night Hawk their slides, receivers, etc? Caspian!!!!!

Hello XR Kit!
 
I wouldn't buy one of those... I don't go for external extractors on my 1911's.
(I was looking at that frame for a build when I decided to just go with the Kimber)

I AM interested to note why I have had NO problems with my Kimbers, I don't buy a series II anything.
 
Ditto. I do have all Series I and Series 70 1911s, save for 1 Colt 1911 Series 80 chambered in .38 Super. However Colt's Series 80 is a far-cry different from Kimber's Series II. For one, Colt's Series 80 is nearly what, 25 or 26 years old? I still prefer Series 70 or Series I. Less to fail. Of course my all-time favorite is the Colt 1910.
 
I have owned 4 Kimbers, still have two, regret selling the other two. I have had 3 series 1's - a Custom Royale, stainless Compact, and an Ultra Carry, plus a 9 mm TacPro II. I still have the Custom Royale and TacPro, my BIL has the compact, sold the UC to another THR member. All have run well from day one, no muss, no fuss, ate whatever they were fed. All mfrs put out lemons from time to time, the important thing is what they do to make it right . . .
 
I just bought the Custom Target II just 2 weeks ago and I have nothing but praise for it. Accurate, reliable and no problems whatsoever after about 300 rounds. I admit that is not a lot but i figure that any problems with feeding or ejecting would show up pretty much right away, but nothing so far. My only gripe is the supercrappy manual which made my first time putting it back together after fieldstripping and cleaning very frustrating. Once you've figured it out all by yourself, it is a breeze.
 
I thought once the hand built ones they gave to the gun writers and were marketed against the billboard marked Colt 1991 (at cheap prices) ran out. I was never impressed with them once they became mainstream.
 
Kimber broken

My 1997 model Kimber Classic Gold Match runs like a sewing machine, BUT, my new 1911 is a 5 inch made be Detonic. It is fantastic, I'll buy another Detonics. Not very inexpensive, but quality is second to none. :)
 
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