Single All Around Cartridge?

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To be the "Single all around cartrage" they have to do everything and do it pretty darn well. 30-30s are great in the brush but fail the test in open country, the 243 is fantastic for open plains game but it's 100gr bullets are a tad light for larger game, their penetration is less then ideal. The perfect all around cartrage should be able to use heavier higher SD bullets at adequate speed for a good 400yd trajectory, and very high BC bullets out to long ranges for target shooting without eating up the barrel like some heavy magnums can do. In Addition to this it should be light recoiling enough for all day varmint hunting or target shooting in a realistic weight rifle. Finnaly I would sugest that the all around rifle should be at leased .264 cal and be able to use bullets of at leased 140gr, and be no larger then a 30cal for recoil reasons.
By these criteria we can narrow down the ideal cartrage to the following list.

6.5x55/260rem/6.5 Creedmore/6.5x47 A+ across the board. Highest lethality to recoil ratio, sure the caliber is a tad small for the largest of game, but their fantastic penetration keeps them a viable option. You HAVE to handload to explore the limits of the 6.5s factory ammo is very limited :(
6.5-284 About as overbore as I would consider, this is a real monster of a 6.5mm that delivers a fierce blow to long ranges with mild recoil and true world class external ballistics.
270 Win if you factor in the cost, avalibility and variety of factory ammo this one REALLY shines, second only to the 30-06 in that regard. Shoots flat, hits hard and kicks light....what exactly is there not to like?
7mm-08 External ballistics rivaling the 6.5mms and internal efficiency rivaling the 308 win this short action packs a hellava wallop in such a small package even at range. Another A+ choice especially for handloaders.
7x57 While the 7mm-08 is a little faster with varmint weight bullets the old 7x57 is better with really heavy bullets for large game, making it a top contender without a doubt.
280 Rem The fastest 7mm that I would call truly an "all around" cartrage. Better ballistics then the 270 in every catagory, and higher SD bullets for large game, sadly the factory options are limited, making this a handloader's cartrage.
308 win World class internal ballistics combined with good external ballistics and a reputation for accuracy makes this the choice of many sharp shooters around the world, it's only two limiting factors are it's inability to use the ultra heavy .30 cal bullets effectively and it's mid ranged speeds, with it's wide variety of factory loads this is as practical as any for deer through elk class game.
30-06 If you shoot only factoy ammo this is it, no other cartrage comes in such a huge variety of useable bullet weights, it stomps the 308 with 180gr and heavier bullets, and comes pre loaded as heavy as 220gr making this a good bear, buffalo, and moose cartrage even in factory form. While I would argue that the 7mm-08, 7x57, 6.5x55 and 280 Rem are probably better "all around" with custom loads the 30-06 is without a doubt the most versatile cartrage for the casual hunter, and it does have some impressive handloads in it's arsenal as well.
The 30-06 is the hardest kicking cartrage that I would even consider shooting 100+ times in a day on the rifle range or blasting varmints so I will cut it off there, sure the 300 mags are great but not really an all around contender.
 
I really like the 30-06...but I have to say that I draw the line at the 270 Win if we're talking firing 100 rounds in a day.

The 30-06 kicks a bit when loaded to its potential...
 
I do push my 30-06 to max loads, 165gr bullets at 3,000+fps! But my PAST recoil pad tames it quite a bit, best $30 I ever spent for doing load development on 30 cals and magnums, especaly since my 30-06 only weighs 6.5lbs :D
 
Mine is probably due in large part to poor stock fit...but thats being taken care of.

My loads ain't quite that hot (168's @ 2,850 fps) and after 20 rounds I start feeling it.
 
.358 winchester? really? the .358 doesn't come close to matching anything i would consider needed for the ultimate all rounder. To start, it is a cartridge that is nearly dead. I should know, as I type this i have one sitting not 25 feet from me. the .358 could hardly be considered a Jack of all trades round. with its extremely limited bullet selection, and inherit capabilities of the cartridge I would consider it barely passable at either end of our extremes
 
"If you had to limit yourself to one rifle cartridge, which one would it be, and why?"

22LR. If I can only have one, it will be the one that I can truly afford to shoot all that I want. It might even kill a deer with a well placed shot. However, it will put small game food on the table for a lifetime. I have 11,000 rounds of 22lr and didn't spend a lot of money for it.
 
While I agree with alot of what is being said on this thread, we must make note to remember that RECOIL IS SUBJECTIVE, first and always. What kicks like a mule for one shooter, may feel tame to the next.
 
"If you had to limit yourself to one rifle cartridge, which one would it be, and why?"

22LR. If I can only have one, it will be the one that I can truly afford to shoot all that I want. It might even kill a deer with a well placed shot. However, it will put small game food on the table for a lifetime. I have 11,000 rounds of 22lr and didn't spend a lot of money for it.
Good perspective. This is an often overlooked choice. While most anyone would tell you it's a poor choice defense wise, 25 rounds of CCI Stinger HPs rapid fired into a group the size of an orange is good deterrent. I love my 522!
 
What he said!!

Nothing you can shoot from the shoulder will stop a charging moose at 20 yards unless you hit it where it has to be hit.
Right between and below the eyes, or under the chin, breaking the spine.

If you do that, a 30-30 will stop it in it's tracks, as soon as it stops sliding on it's nose making a track.

rc

Wow...

I thought the thread was an attempt a humor...

My bad for not realizing everyone would get so serious...



:D
 
i think it really depends on the person and what their hunting style is.

for me, i do exactly ZERO varmint hunting and almost no long range target shooting so i really have nothing to gain by choosing a smaller round like the .243 win. i do however, do a lot of deer hunting and have a fondness for .30 cal rifles, so my vote goes to the 30-06.

for someone who does a lot more varmint shooting than deer hunting, the .243 or the 7mm-08 would be an excellent choice but my '06 would just be costing more in components and recoil than they have any need for.
 
The original post had the parameters given guys. I enjoy reading what cartridge people choose for their own personal needs, and then explain what those might be (geographic, or type of game, or whatever).

I will say that a .22lr, 30-30, or .358 really doesn't even come close to knocking off a 30-06 as king of the hill given the original searches goals.
 
The original post had the parameters given guys. I enjoy reading what cartridge people choose for their own personal needs, and then explain what those might be (geographic, or type of game, or whatever).

I will say that a .22lr, 30-30, or .358 really doesn't even come close to knocking off a 30-06 as king of the hill given the original searches goals.

Yes you set the parameters here when you asked this question

If you had to limit yourself to one rifle cartridge, which one would it be, and why?

Posters have been giving you they're opinions of what they would pick and why based off of your last question. Just like Clay Harvey gave everyone his opinions and why in his book. If you don't like the opinions of others then you should have never posted the question in the first place. Here is another one for you, my pick is the classic 30-30.

Things are different today than when Clay Harvey had his book published. Today politics weigh heavily on folks minds, remember the great ammo dry up? I remember when it was almost impossible to find any .223, .270, .308, and 30-06 on the shelves, however there was always plenty of 30-30. If you did find it prices were higher than what most paid prior to that. I vividly remember A hunter curseing about how expensive ammo has gotten for his favoite 30-06 huning rifle. Now most of us common folk have to pay attention to price as well. I don't want to hear about reloading as we are few compared to the masses of hunters out there.

When the above hunter stood there curseing I grabbed a box of my preffered 30-30 ammo and went my merry way. Yes it went up in price too but it is still much more affordable than the like of the 30-06 and etc... Even in regards to reloading it uses quite a bit less powder per load making it cheaper again. is it ballisticlly capable of taking game at 400yd no. Then again no one should be shooting game that far away in the first place. Why...? due to the ever present possibility of a miss and not knowing what or who may behind that terrain feature down range.

The 30-30 continues to get better with age we now have the Hornady ammo that gives the cartridge the ability to go out to 250yd for deer sized game. Over on the Hornady web site there are lots of pics of folks that have taken everything from deer to moose with just that load alone. For those that like to scoff about the effectiveness of the cartridge on game larger than deer then watch this nice little episode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xZsgwPlLM0

The 30-30 is also one of the best cartridges for shooting cast bullets, it's as if it were made for it. Most modern day cartridges will shoot cast bullets too but it may take a little more work on the useres end to figure everything out.

So to answer your question if I had to limit myself to one rifle cartridge, what would it be and why?

The 30-30
1. ammo is everywhere
2. ammo is cheaper than any other popular big game hunting cartridge
3. Will harvest any animal a hunter may face (excluding the great bears of the north) when used within it's limitations
4. won't knock the fillings from your teeth when you pull the trigger
5. works great with both low velocity and full power cast bullet hunting loads

Have a nice day:)
 
* Here is Alaska you can never go wrong with a 30-06.
* Ammo is in every store, town, village and passing pick-up.
* It will handle big critters with good shot placement.
* Being a standard size rifles have a 4 to 5 round magazine. (two more than the magnums)
* It does not kick too hard for the amount of damage it can inflict.


Yes I love the 6.5x55mm and 7x57mm, and 358 Win....(Well I love and shoot a bunch of them) but you won't find a box of ammo for either in the village AC store at Pilot Station.
 
Is the all around cartridge for game, varmint, man killing, or all three? I'm still thinking the 30-30 or .308 is a really awesome choice if stuck with only one.

Does anyone here know if they still make 55 gr Accelerators in 30-30? I LOVE those !!!
 
Availability drives desirability drives availability...

This sort of poll be won by a military or ex-military cartridge, based on familiarity, until all the guys who served and trusted their lives to the cartridge have gone on to greener pastures.

Then, who knows? Maybe there will so many surplus rifles around that their chamberings will continue to dominate, but I suspect that when all the guys who carried a .30-cal rifle in battle are gone, some more "modern" cartridge will rise to the top.

My bet: A long action 6.5 or 7mm cartridge will take over the top spot, supplanting the .30-06 and .308 by the year 2030.
I'm not sure I agree with your hypothesis. The SCAR 17 (heavy) illustrates that the .308 is making a real comeback in the (U.S.) military. Given a choice between the 16 and the 17, lots of our men and women seem to prefer the heavy. So I doubt that the .308 will sunset as a result of lack of use by the mil folks.
Predictably, my vote goes with the .308W. I don't have shooting experience with 30-06 but though it seems to outperform, the price and availability of the .308W along with more platforms and models shipping that support the cartridge make it the winner of the two. And the historic argument that you just can't carry enough compared with the .223/5.56 seems to have lost it's steam.
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308 is the correct answer. It is a better varmit round when hand loaded and only gives up about 75 yards due to slightly lower velocity. There are many bullet choices in the 30 cal so I'd have to at least stay in that family.
 
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