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I'm thinking of putting a Tapco stock on my SKS and getting Tapco 20 round detachable magazines for my SKS. I've heard this is one of the only reliable SKS setups for detachable mags out there. The question is, with this system how easy are the mags to swap out in comparison to the AK-47? I already have one of those too, but I want to make some mods to the SKS.
 
Standard SKS answer:

If you want a poor man's AK, you need to swap the SKS for a Romanian AK. Depending on the SKS in question, there's a long list of legality issues to settle.

1) Yugo SKS. These are imported as curio & relic firearms. Any change to the gun voids that status, so you need to remove all evil features (grenade launcher, bayonet, night sights).

2) Yugo and all others. They are imported, so you have to conform to the 922r regulations regarding "sporting" and "non-sporting" firearms. If you make it non-sporting (Tapco stock and detachable mags qualify for this), you will need to replace enough parts on it in order to have less than 10 imported parts. You'll be spending lots of time and money.

The SKS is a great rifle AS-IS. If you want it to be a poor man's AK, you'll spend a lot of time and money for something that won't work as well as a real AK.
 
While I prefer the wood stocks, and have kept on my SKSs, I don't think putting it in a Tapco stock and adding a 20 round magazine necessarily makes it a poor man's AK. But you do need to bee 922 compliant if you do that.

I also prefer the stock fixed 10 round magazine.
 
As I said, I already have an AK. And I want to modify the SKS. It's a cheap Yugo, and I don't have a C&R license. If I ever wanted to dump the thing to someone who did, can't I just put all the original hardware back on? But then, I've never sold a gun and only ever gave one away.

Anyway, here is what I'm thinking:
* Folding stock
* New top cover with rail
* Detachable mag and maybe
* a red dot type site
* Oh yeah, and the bayonet and grenade launcher are coming off.

By the way what is 922 compliance and why would it affect me?
 
Dont bother with the detachable mags. I've tried every brand I've seen, and they're all terrible. They are not reliable worth a darn, and are a real pain to change out. However, they look cool.

After becoming frustrated trying to get new mags to work, with limited success, I put the original fixed mag back in, and have kept it that way.
 
I'll echo the others here. Don't do it. It probably won't work well, and you will run into the PITA 922r regulations.

922r will force you to swap out parts on the SKS for US made parts, until you get to 10 or less imported parts on their list. This will probably cause you to spend more money that you would have otherwise wanted to.

Here is a link that will help explain 922r and how it applies to the SKS. http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=7991
 
Dont bother with the detachable mags. I've tried every brand I've seen, and they're all terrible. They are not reliable worth a darn, and are a real pain to change out.

+1

That's the sole reason I sold my old SKS. No detachable mag (save maybe one), worked reliably.
 
Think about some simple (cheeeeeep) mods first.

I took my SKS, removed the bayonet, added a scout scope mount from "scoutscopes.com" in place of the rear sight, attached an inexpensive red dot scope, got a plain black sling and painted the entire stock with the black "crinkle' spray paint. It made a very good looking rifle for less than $80.00.

I have used it in the field for deer hunting (Texas) with a separate 5 round magazine from Tapco. With the red dot I am comfortable out to about 100 yards no problem. The red dot is great for these old eyes.

I had purchased a monte carlo stock from cheaper-than-dirt but didn't care for the extra weight. The only thing that I kept from the stock was the upper handguard instead of painting the original one.
 

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If you have a Chinese SKS, changing the stock, handguard (usually included with stock, the Tapco definitely includes it), and going to a removable mag will be 922(r) compliant. If you have any other sks, a couple more parts will have to be replaced. Also, adding some things is ok without having to be 922r compliant. These include adding things such as a scope, bipod, or most stocks. Unless the stock has a "separate pistol grip" (open to interpretation) it can be changed without being 922r compliant. Removeable mags would definitely obligate you to conform to 922r to be perfectly legal though (to the best of my knowledge 922r isn't enforced at this time, but it's still out there).

Here's a crappy pic of my sks. It's a chinese sks with the ati fiberforce dragunov style stock, featherweight bipod, and a 4x30 scope.
 

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Just as everyone else has said, leave the stock mag on the rifle. get some stripper clips and reloading can be quick, easy and faster than fooling with the det. mags.
 
The only time I'd go to a detachable mag is if you need to make it 922r compliant. Losing the stock mag and follower gets rid of two imported parts. Or I suppose If you put a full size scope on it and lose the ability to use stripper clips you may consider it, but a compact scope is quite enough for the SKS... you won't be shooting 1 MOA groups at 1000 yards with one of these.
 
As I said, I already have an AK. And I want to modify the SKS. It's a cheap Yugo, and I don't have a C&R license. If I ever wanted to dump the thing to someone who did, can't I just put all the original hardware back on? But then, I've never sold a gun and only ever gave one away.

Anyway, here is what I'm thinking:
* Folding stock
* New top cover with rail
* Detachable mag and maybe
* a red dot type site
* Oh yeah, and the bayonet and grenade launcher are coming off.

By the way what is 922 compliance and why would it affect me?

Not having a C&R license doesn't mean you don't have to pay attention to the status of the rifle. The Yugo 59/66 SKS, as-is, is in a non-sporting configuration. Seems bayonets, grenade launchers, and night sights are non-sporting. It is not legal to have an imported non-sporting rifle. Those imported non-sporting parts have to go. You'll need to swap out the grenade launcher for a US-made muzzle brake for compliance parts count anyway, and once the launcher comes off the bayonet is kinda useless (won't lock into position), so it may as well go too, along with the mount for it. The night sights are easy enough to remove.

922r, as said, has to do with what determines if a non-sporting rifle is imported or domestically produced. There's a list of applicable parts (you only count the ones your gun has), and the total number of imported parts has to be 10 or less.

Honestly, I just never understand why people want to do this to a SKS, especially the Yugos. Given their funky legal status (yes, it's insane, but them's the rules- we don't make them, we just have to follow them), the amount of time and effort that will need to be invested just makes it not worth the trouble. The detachable mag will likely be far less reliable to boot, so you'll end up spending hundreds of dollars for a rifle that is rather heavy, combat accurate but not anything more than that, less reliable than a stock SKS, and worth no more than it was when you began. I can understand if you like projects, but the end result just isn't worth it, IMO. Since you already have an AK, I just wonder what you think you're going to get at the end. It seems that when people talk about doing this, they have enough cash for a SKS but not an AK, and they want to build it into AK capabilities (the whole evil rifle thing with 20-30 round magazines) on the installment plan.

It just isn't worth it.
 
I'm going to disagree with almost everything already written. The SKS is a very good battle rifle. I use one in tactical competition and go against pretty much everything you can imagine, from AR's to Thompson 45's to M1's and AK's. The SKS holds it's own just fine.

The SKS is absolutely worth upgrading, just because you can get one cheap, doesn't mean it's a poor rifle. This seems to be a common misconception. You have an AK so you know what it's like. My feeling is that a modified SKS will outperform an AK in every case except mag capacity. Ergonomics of the SKS, especially with a stock like the Tapco T6 is a lot better than any AK except the Saiga and it will come back on target faster as well. Plus unless you have the proper licensing the AK will only be a semi auto and that puts it behind the SKS, in my book.

Cost wise, it's a wash. A modified SKS will be the same or even more expensive than a cheap AK but less expensive than a really good AK.

I really recommend the Tapco T6 stock over anything else. It fits great and is really good functionally and ergnomically. The Tapco 20 round mags are designed specifically to fit that stock. It can be used in any other stock, but the stock will probably need some modification, most magwells are too narrow for the Tapco 20 and if it's squeezed, the mag will probably not feed properly. It's all in the Tapco instructions, which apparently very few people read.

The Tapco 20's are excellent mags, mine never fail and I normally have two clamped together for instant reloads. I'll challenge anyone who thinks loading with stripper clips is faster than mags to a match. I'll win every time, no question about it. I carry four mags clamped in pairs, and two individuals with a different cartridge load for longer range targets. Try that with strippers in a competitive arena and you'll be real disappointed.

There is a bolt modification that can be done easily and safely so that mags can be removed and loaded without opening the bolt. Let me know if you're interested in that.

You need to get the foreign parts count down to 10, the previously posted link to the 922r rules should explain that well.

The Tapco T6 including the handguard is two parts, NOT three as Tapco says. The pistol grip is an ADDED part, not a replacment part, plus it's an evil feature which you need to consider if using a Yugo SKS (removing the bayo should cancel out the pistol grip addition). The Tapco mag is three parts (body, follower and floorplate). Add the operating rod and gas piston and you have a total of 7 USA parts, and that ought to do the trick.

If you plan on using the handguard as an optic mount, then get a whole gas tube/handguard replacement, becuase the handguard needs to be real snug on the tube or the optic will flop around and drive you insane. The handguard that comes with the T6 stock may or may not be a snug fit on the original gas tube, plus it's a PITA to remove.

You can get a receiver cover optic mount as well. The only one worth considering is from DC Engineering. It's expensive, but it's totally righteous. I love mine. I currently have a NcStar holosight on it and it's a wicked combination. I can make the 100 yard headshot on a IDPA target all day long with it. I've used Aimpoint ML-2's and other than waterfastness, I think NcStar holds it own as a non magnifying optic and at a fraction of the cost. I also have the TS200 rear peep sight, which is also a great sight, but I can't take the headshot with it reliably.

Next, think seriously about trading the Yugo for a good Chinese. The Chinese gets rid of the gas selector switch, all the grenade crap and has a chromed bore that's easier to clean. It's really likely to have a trigger that's twice as good as the Yugo's. You won't be shooting grenades so the seemingly desirable "beefiness" of the Yugo is utterly irrelevent, and I think the Chinese versions are more elegant and never fail. Almost all Chinese were made specifically for export to the US, while almost all Yugo's are battle veterans. Therefore almost any Chinese will be in better condition with less use, than any Yugo.
 
The new TAPCO magazine exists to NOT be the garbage A-team mags people have lost money on before. It's solid and well designed. I'm against after-market mags for the SKS, BUT these new TAPCOs work.

The tapco stock with the great SAW grip will give you better control than the straight wood stock that was designed for lego people and jawas.
 
The SKS is absolutely worth upgrading, just because you can get one cheap, doesn't mean it's a poor rifle.

Nobody ever said it was a poor rifle. Much the opposite; I contend it is a fantastic rifle, but it has a disadvantage in that the ones currently plentiful (the Yugoslavian models 59 and 59/66) have a rather complicated legal situation. I love my SKS, but I recommend to those thinking about tweaking them that they are better off being left as-is. Sure, when modified it has some advantages over the AK (more accurate, slightly more ergonomic), but the AK will maintain advantages over the SKS (better ammo capacity, better trigger, simpler design) as well.

There's a lot that can be done to an SKS, but any prospective tweaker needs to do a few things first:
1) Decide what you want out of it when you're done.
2) Count the monetary cost- what are all these parts going to run?
3) Count the time cost- what is it all worth to you?
4) Consider #1 in light of #2 and #3. Is there something else that will save you the time and trouble? Remember that funky legal situation (the curio and relic status and how that relates to its non-sporting imported status). That's a whole other set of headaches.

The SKS is a great gun as-is. Again, figure out what you want out of it and then decide if you can get that for a price (in terms of $ and time) that you are willing to pay, and be honest- you have to figure in the possibility that your end result might result in a drop in reliability.
 
Okay so if I do the detachable mags, I MUST use the TAPCO system... And I have to shave the foreign parts down to 10. Since it is a Yugo model, the grenade launcher and bayonet come off when this is done. Do the night sights come off too for this? If it's ever a SHTF rifle I'll want more than a 10 round capacity, so I'll try the detach mag. Is it easily converted back if that doesn't work out?

Either way, the stock is going to go. What do you think are the cheapest and best parts to swap out for getting under 10 foreign parts?
 
Can't help you on the 10 parts thing as my only SKS is Chinese and they require less parts to be swapped (never had night sights or a grenade launcher).

The TAPCO is the best removable mag on the market. If you decide you don't like it, you can put the stock 10 round one back in in about five minutes. No modification is needed to the rifle to switch back and fourth. All you have to do is remove the trigger group, open the mag and give it a tug to get the stock one out. Put the trigger group back in and you can stick the detachable right in (believe the bolt must be open).
 
I believe Tapco sells a "compliance kit" that contains the necessary parts to make it legal under 922r.
 
I believe Tapco sells a "compliance kit" that contains the necessary parts to make it legal under 922r.

You're absolutely right, they do. compliance parts This is looking a lot less scary, and a lot more do-able. So, as I see it:
* the my Yugo model has 15 or 16 foreign parts
* the Tapco stock is 2 or 3 parts
* the Tapco magazine is 3 parts (according to Tapco)
* replacement of the grenade launcher with a muzzle brake counts as 1 part (and allows me to fire more on target a shorter period of time)
* the removal of the fugly night sight and really fugly bayonet (maybe grinding the lug) keeps me legal.

So for around $100, and some time invested I'm there and I'll have functional rifle that's 'tacti-cool' and may not give a vet nasty flashbacks...

As an alternative configuration I could not use the TAPCO stock and just get a cheap folding one, but I keep the magazine fixed (saves me a couple bucks that I have to tade for an operating rod and gas tube to stay legal).
 
Shoulda also mentioned that I don't know ANYONE that has has much luck with the detachable magazines, of ANY brand. There are 20 round fixed mags out there that DO work, if you really want more capacity (and they work with stripper clips).

The ONLY way to have an SKS with RELIABLE detachable mags, is to buy an SKS-D or SKS-M, that take AK mags (built that way)....I have an SKS-M which has been utterly reliable with a variety of AK Mags, for about 5000 rounds.
 
Another place to look for SKS parts is sksman.com. Not everything he carries is US-made (so be sure to check), but it's another place to shop for parts besides Tapco (just for some variety). He even has a Tapco T6 stock compliance kit here:
http://www.sksman.com/part/parts3.php

Between that and the muzzle brake, you'd be fine. Honestly, though, it is possible that once you are 922r compliant, you need not necessarily pull the night sights, since it will be a "domestic" non-sporting rifle, not an imported one. Pulling those parts is mainly for compliance with 922r BEFORE the 10 or less parts game. You might need to yank the grenade launcher just to make parts count (for the US-made muzzle brake), and the loss of the launcher means the bayonet is purely vestigial, since it won't lock securely anymore.
 
I'm leaving my SKS as-is.:neener: I don't see a need to "bubba" an SKS, its an excellent all purpose rifle out of the box, plenty accurate for its purpose, very reliable, built like a tank, fires a formiddable cartridge. I have a Yugo 59/66 and its been awesome, very fun to shoot, cost me $150. I can't think of a better 'bang for the buck" out there.
 
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