Small concealable 9mm's

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it's not to be dry-fired, and certain types of ammo are verboten

Allow me to correct some erroneous information being posted here.

S&W states that their firearms can be dry fired with a few exceptions, M&P is not in the exception category.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...tionId=10504#2


As to certain ammo being "verboten" we should call that a wash since it is common knowledge that you should fire cast lead bullets or reload .40 S&W out of Glocks.
 
One thing about the M&P, it's a little more complex than the Glock, having multiple takedown levers, it's not to be dry-fired
I have to wonder why this bit of misinformation keeps being posted here even though it has been *repeatedly* identified as being false.
 
DENALI said:
.......It's black melonite finish is also only a surface treatment so don't expect it to avoid corrosion as the Glock does......
Being that it is stainless steel, corrosion is not much of a concern.
 
I carry my Kahr PM9 more that any other gun. It makes a great pocket gun in a FIST thin kydex pocket holster. Also carry on it IWB. I added a pearce grip extension as my pinky needs to be on the grip, not under the butt of the gun. And an Agrip which made a huge improvement in grip and felt recoil.
 
Multiple takedown levers? What the heck? The M&P has ONE takedown lever. It also has a disconnect that can be pushed out of the way to avoid having to dry-fire the weapon to remove the slide. You CAN do it by pulling the trigger but its not an issue of damaging the weapon its a safety issue. Smith wanted you to be able to dis-assemble the weapon for cleaning with having to pull the trigger. Seems to me to be a good thing.

BTW, the parts count of the Glock and M&P are nearly identical and the design is so similar to keep harping about the Glock having a superior design is a bit hypocritical.
 
I have the kel-Tec P11 and love it. I get 2 inch 5 shot groups double action at 50 feet offhand with the right ammo and a good shooting day, never had any FTF's. I use Gold Dot 124gr +p carry in this gun. The S&W 3913 is the best shooting 9mm I ever owned period, shot circles around my H&K USP compact 9mm. The only issue with the S&W is the magazine safety, you can't shoot it without one, though I know you can put light pressure ( about a 1/8 inch pull back ) on the trigger as you drop the mag and it will fire, not sure if the new M&P has the same design. The M&P guns have had growing issues with jams and some FTF's on some guns. Go to the mp-pistol.com forums for more info. I owned an XD40 and it was a good gun but the grip angle made me instinctively shoot a bit low and I had to adjust for this.

I own several CZ gun and cannot say enough good, own both 40's and nine's. The PO-1 is an excellent gun but may be too large for your needs. I have also owned Glocks, reliable usually good accuracy but again the grip angle problem, you also have to be constamtly aware of your trigger finger or you may get glocked! Hard to beat the 3913 but limited mag capacity may not meet your needs either.
 
Get either a Smith & Wession 3913TSW or a Colt Pocket Nine ...

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For me, the choices come down to exactly two: the Walther PPS and the Kahr PM9. They both are roughly the size of a Walther PPK, but are full-power 9mms that weigh 20 ounces or less.

Personally, I didn't like the feel of the PPS, so I bought a Kahr PM9. Then, to put the icing on the cake, I bought my PM9 directly from Cylinder & Slide gunsmiths, where they performed an additional $500 worth of magic. Why did I spend that much extra money on an already-expensive firearm? 1) As Clint Smith says: "Because you can"; and 2) my ass is worth the extra investment in my primary CCW weapon.

This Kahr PM9 is a wonder. It weighs only about 16 ounces dry, yet it will hold 6 + 1 rounds of +P 9mms (7 + 1 with the included extended magazine). Cylinder & Slide did a trigger job, polished about everything possible, and added XS Tritium sights. XS sights are not designed for precision work: they're designed for rapid target acquisition, day or night. And they work. The trigger is like a very well-tuned S&W revolver. This little beast has been 100% reliable since the first round fired. The ergos are great; it's surprisingly controllable despite the light weight.

IMO, in this age of light weight and great metallurgy, there's no reason to carry a CCW piece that weighs more than 20 ounces. I absolutely love my SIG P239s, but they're bricks compared to the Kahr.
 
Kahr PM9

Although you might not believe from my experience so far in shooting the Kahr PM9, I would say definitely, IMHO, it is one of the better CCW small handguns. Very easy to carry in different situations and locations. Pocket, holster, etc and I think it also is a weapon you can take to the range and have some fun firing while becoming proficient in a smaller weapon.
 
Not exactly what you're asking, but I did this comparison before I bought my last CCW (Sig 239 SAS). I included the Sig 232 cause I used to own one. It gave me a familiar frame of reference. I also stuck the Ruger in there cause I'm thinking of buying one of those.

Overall length in inches
Sig 232, 380 cal: 6.60
Ruger 380: 5.16
Walther PPS 9mm: 6.3
Sig 239: 6.6
G26: 6.29
G19: 6.85
HK USP Compact: 6.81

Overall height in inches
Sig 232, 380 cal: 4.70
Ruger 380: 3.6
Walther PPS 9mm: 4.4
Sig 239: 5.1
G26: 4.17
G19: 5.0
HK USP Compact: 5.0

Overall width in inches
Sig 232, 380 cal: 1.20
Ruger 380: .820
Walther PPS 9mm: 1.04
Sig 239: 1.2
G26: 1.18
G19: 1.18
HK USP Compact: 1.14

Weight unloaded in ounces
Sig 232, 380 cal: 17.6
Ruger 380: 9.4
Walther PPS 9mm: 19.4
Sig 239: 27.5
G26: 19.75
G19: 20.99
HK USP Compact: 23.52

Weight loaded in ounces
Sig 232, 380 cal:
Ruger 380: (Not given)
Walther PPS 9mm: N/A
Sig 239: 29.7
G26: 26.10
G19: 29.98
HK USP Compact: N/A

Standard magazine capacity
Sig 232, 380 cal: 7
Ruger 380: 6
Walther PPS 9mm: 7 or 8, depending upon magazine: one of each provided
Sig 239: 8
G26: 10 rounds
G19: 15 rounds
HK USP Compact: 13 rounds

Trigger pull
Sig 232, 380 cal: DA/SA 10.0 lbs/ 4.5 lbs
Ruger 380: 8 pounds
Walther PPS 9mm: 6.1 pounds
Sig 239: DA: 10.0 pounds; SA: 4.5 pounds
G26: 5.5 pounds
G19: 5.5 pounds
HK USP Compact: N/A

I chose the Sig over the Glock 26 cause I like being able to visually see the hammer is down. Although my nightstand gun is a Glock 17 (somehow 17 shots seems comforting), I still haven't gotten used to carrying Glock with the chamber loaded.
 
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