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Over the years I have shot friends’ rifles and spent a lot of time as a youngster with .22 rifles and pellet guns. In the past few months I decided I wanted to shoot more for fun - paper/plinking. My goal is to be proficient with multi calibre and start hunting with some fiends. Hogs and deer on the central west coast - Monterey/Santa Cruz Area. I like spending time reading about building a gun battery and pros and cons of various calibers. I knew I would get a 22LR, which I got - Marlin 60 from the 70’s. I loved my friends Marlin 336 in .30-30 so I knew I would get one. Not yet purchased but on the short list. I always planned on getting a .308 Winchester Model 70 and as it turned out I got a prewar in .30-06. On paper, I always thought I would get a dedicated CXP2 “deer” rifle and probably never need/buy anything else. Flip flopped between .25-06, .260, 7-08, .270 and plenty of others.

with my .22LR covered and a .30-06. And my commitment to a .30-30 lever action. Is there a rifle that might fit in between .22LR and the .30 cal? I always figured a .223 would be a purchase , but I wonder if a .243 or .25-06 or 6.5/260 7mm08 is the way to go. I know it depends on what I hunt most, but that isn’t really a factor right now. The one thing that is, are my kids I want to learn to shoot 15yr girl and 11 yr boy. Based on that alone I think the .243 is the choice and even for the wife.

thoughts?
 
22 lr, 30-30, and 30-06 covers a LOT of ground and represents some good choices. There is some gap between 22 lr and the 30 cals that could be filled by a fast, flat trajectory, low recoil cartridge.

243 Win is definitely one of them. And if you read a recent thread entitled "Poor Old Quarterbore", you'll discover some remarkable .257 / 25 cal cartridges that fit the bill. At the smaller caliber end you have 222 Rem, 223 Rem, and 22-250 - all very flat shooting varmint and predator capable.

A good part of the fun is the journey, whatever the destination. Enjoy!
 
There's reduced recoil factory ammunition available in many calibers including. 243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .30-06 Springfield. That's worth considering for folks who might be more recoil sensitive if you're not a reloader. The .243 will have a wide array of factory varmint loads in addition to medium game loads for occasions the .30-06 is too much and .22RF ain't enough. I can't speak about the. 30-30 as I've never owned or shot one.
 
From what I’ve read over the years the 30/06 can be loaded for just about any game on the North American Continent. If one wants to tailor make Ammo that is. If I had but one bolt action rifle in my arsenal it would be a 30/06. Come to think of it that’s actually what I have.
 
Another vote for the 223. You have 22LR for plinking and small vermin, 30-30 for short range big game, 06 for long range big game. 223 would be a good center fire to learn on with little recoil and ammo would be cheap. It would make a great large varmint gun and a decent hunting gun in some states.
 
I am assuming you are living in California, so hunting requires non lead ammo. I would normally suggest 223 for the hole in your battery ( not really a hole, but who doesn't want a small bore fast mover), but you may have to hunt for good non lead ammo in 223 for deer. It will work great for other stuff. In the 308 family the 243 and the other 6mm cartridges would fit the bill too. Again though, because of California hunting and shooting regs, I'd go 243...
 
An aside: I love your plan and you're a far better man than I if you can stick to it!

A .223 of some kind sounds good. You might consider adding at least one more .22 rimfire, perhaps a bolt action or single shot that can use the ammo you'll eventually acquire that won't cycle your autoloader's action. One type of rimfire with several good uses is a magazine repeating bolt action fitted with target sights; you can use it for quiet hunting (somewhere other than CA) with CB Shorts and Longs, for serious low-cost target practice and as an introductory arm for training new shooters. You can find good used examples cheap in just about any gunshop.

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After that, tread cautiously around gun shops -- or prepare to be gradually seduced by the Dark Side.

I think maybe back in the 1980s I had an acquisition plan for a sort of SHTF/urban survival battery, but it quickly turned into something else and a hundred odd rifles later I've whittled things down to just 42 keepers, including air rifles. A quarter of these are milsurps, a quarter are hunting rifles that I punch holes in paper rather than hunt with and the balance are a mix of target/defensive/plinking rifles that I own mostly because they're fun. And I'm a pauper compared with many others in this forum.
 
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Over the years I have shot friends’ rifles and spent a lot of time as a youngster with .22 rifles and pellet guns. In the past few months I decided I wanted to shoot more for fun - paper/plinking. My goal is to be proficient with multi calibre and start hunting with some fiends. Hogs and deer on the central west coast - Monterey/Santa Cruz Area. I like spending time reading about building a gun battery and pros and cons of various calibers. I knew I would get a 22LR, which I got - Marlin 60 from the 70’s. I loved my friends Marlin 336 in .30-30 so I knew I would get one. Not yet purchased but on the short list. I always planned on getting a .308 Winchester Model 70 and as it turned out I got a prewar in .30-06. On paper, I always thought I would get a dedicated CXP2 “deer” rifle and probably never need/buy anything else. Flip flopped between .25-06, .260, 7-08, .270 and plenty of others.

with my .22LR covered and a .30-06. And my commitment to a .30-30 lever action. Is there a rifle that might fit in between .22LR and the .30 cal? I always figured a .223 would be a purchase , but I wonder if a .243 or .25-06 or 6.5/260 7mm08 is the way to go. I know it depends on what I hunt most, but that isn’t really a factor right now. The one thing that is, are my kids I want to learn to shoot 15yr girl and 11 yr boy. Based on that alone I think the .243 is the choice and even for the wife.

thoughts?

I lived and hunted and shot in the area you mentioned for the last 50 years . I moved to Southern Oregon in 2018 but return in the worst parts of the winter to the milder climate.
#1 today you cannot go into the field after any game with out using non lead based ammo any caliber including muzzle loaders , and the whole area is crawling with enforcement, even if you don't see them :(
#2 There are very few legal places to shoot , read #1 again ! IF you have access to large ranches where you are a couple miles from the nearest neighbor you are probably OK . Laguna Seca Range is pleasant for the day to shoot with your lead ammo , currently. Markelies indoor range in Watsonville works for .22s . I don't know of any other commercial place to shoot in Monterey or Santa Cruz counties currently.
#3 yes a .223 or a .22-250 or a .243 fills the gap between 30-06 and .22 . ALL those centerfires are legal for and will take the Blacktail deer cleanly with a good shot. Getting ammo in California is a pain in the ass too ! Non lead hunting ammo selection is limited.
#4 Consider a 12 ga. Shot gun with suitable changeable chokes or a good used SG with more open (modified or less) that will take the steel shot you must use for hunting. There is good game bird hunting in South Monterey county ! You don't need an 18" barrel for home defense, a 26" one works fine and you can hunt with it ! . Hunter Supply in Monterey on Freemont is the best gun store in the two counties, They have anything you might want or need and prices are good !
#5 a .22, a 30-06 and a shotgun are all you need , the 30-06 will do anything better than a 30-30 and you have a wonderful Win Model 70 ! Does the model 70 have a good scope with a good low power range and good modern mounts ? Use 150 or 180 grain copper bullets on deer , and they will work on hogs too . just make sure the hunting bullets you have in your possession while in the field are lead free commercial ammo and keep the box with you to prove it.
The Marlin 335 were fine guns , the newer ones are not as good workmanship wise IMHO . I'd get a pistol caliber one and buy a revolver that fired the same cartridge . In fact get the revolver first ! Can't beat a .357 or .44 mag with a 4"-6" barrel , they even make non lead bullets. In the day we all carried .44 Mags when we hunted hogs over dogs . Or .44 mag carbines. . .357 will work also but you have to be a good shot (with anything ) .
#6 the hot place to get a deer (or a pig) in A zone is still South County Monterey and Fort Hunter Liggett is very good and your 30-06 once sighted in for the ammo you will is perfect for the conditions. Get a pig license too as they are abundant there and in season with the deer. Unless you have access to private large orchards or something in Santa Cruz county (where I live) shooting is problematic, that is where a quieter than 30-06 deer cartridge comes in, a .44 mag carbine (Marlin lever ?) is good , a .223 rifle is also good and fairly quiet with a 20"+ barrel.. I recommend you get a bolt action rifle for .223 in California and keep a pistol or a shotgun for self defense. I have 200 guns and moved all semi autos and most others except a small battery out of Calif. . The glory days of California are gone, and the socialists are closing in on Oregon :(
 
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Wow, thanks for all the great responses so far. It would appear there are many good options, .223 and .243 seem to be two of the logical ones. Gordon, thanks for all your insight about the state of things in California. My friend has a property in Watsonville with 20 acres, his property borders some others that are hundreds of acres. Will have to explore the legality aspect, but have shot hogs there. I appreciate your suggestion for Hunter Supply in Monterey. Will stop in and check it out.

Mike
 
I have yet to see a hog around Watsonville ! Plenty of good deer there tho as hunting pressure is light. 20 acres could do it. If using the 30-06 I reccommend #1 sighting it in dead on at 100 yards and use the lighter 150 grain bullets .. #2 on a small acreage like that be double sure of your back stop and aim carefully thru front shoulders so it can't run . Try to only shoot once no more than twice if you have two. A single shot unexpected is hard for neighbors to pinpoint and call sheriffs. This part of California is enemy occupied territory :(
 
.22, 30-30, 30-06 will cover 99% of what you'll ever hunt. For the wife and kids and cheap plinking, I'd throw in a bolt-action 7.62x39. If that's not a good option for you, then a bolt-action .223. If they want to hunt someday, they can use your 30-30 for deer sized game and the .223 for anything smaller. The 7.62x39 is about as fine a low-recoil deer round as you could ask for. I'd pick it over the .223 unless ammo availability/restrictions are an issue. I know the rules in CA can be kinda weird.
 
Let's see. Three .22 rimfires, a .22 Hornet, .250 Savage then a 30/30.
 
There's reduced recoil factory ammunition available in many calibers including. 243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .30-06 Springfield. That's worth considering for folks who might be more recoil sensitive if you're not a reloader. The .243 will have a wide array of factory varmint loads in addition to medium game loads for occasions the .30-06 is too much and .22RF ain't enough. I can't speak about the. 30-30 as I've never owned or shot one.
One of my friends is starting his boys out with a 308 shooting the reduced recoil loads. He is see great success with the load on deer. He is 8.
 
I have yet to see a hog around Watsonville ! Plenty of good deer there tho as hunting pressure is light. 20 acres could do it.
They root up areas of Nisene Marks park in the Aptos foothills. My buddy with the property is up out of town on the way toward Mt Madonna. I am not sure how abundant they are, but he had taken a few with his 12guage and a slug.

Mike
 
ThTs not Watsonville area. The area property you described is allowed hunting, I have killed deer there years ago
 
As far as I know .223 or any 22 for that matter are not legal for deer in Ca. Or they weren't back when I hunted in the 70s.
 
That make sense since we have the smallest deer's in the country.
well not up in Northern Ca. where they have big Mule deer. In the later 70s they allowed .22 Center fires with I believe over 1000 ft pounds of energy to be used. That means .221 Fireball up . I think they dropped the 1000 ft pound requirement in the 80s and just says Centerfire and lately non lead expanding only.
 
Based on comments here and other research, I am pretty settled on a .243. I can add a .223 in the future. This will be a good caliber for the wife and kiddos, (and me) and can add dedicated deer rifles if any of the kids show serious interest.

Maybe an entirely new thread will be needed, but any suggestions on a rifle? I don’t want a budget rifle, I would like one that shoots well and can be proud to hand down, ( I suppose that screams wood stock Model 70/Remington 700/Kimber/weatherby). My buddy loves his Tikka T3.

Suggestions on the best shooting classic rifle in the $700-1200 range? If there is a standout for less, I am open to that too.

Mike
 
A 243 or possibly the 6 creedmoor would round out your arsenal.
On the 30-30: If you buy the Marlin. Either have a trigger job done. Or replace it with a happy trigger. It makes them easier to shoot very well.
 
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