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Now it's getting interesting.
So I Inquired with Yeti about the NRA issue.
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Now it's getting interesting.
Elkins45
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That statement would be at odds with their statement that “suddenly and without warning” they droppped the NRA...
Who knows where the real truth lies here?
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Did you stop at the headline or continue to read the article?
Quote:"YETI severed ties with the NRA and is now engaging in damage control after a backlash from many of its customers. In early March, YETI refused to place a previously negotiated order from NRA-ILA, citing “recent events” as the reason – a clear reference to the tragedy in Parkland, Florida. YETI then delivered notice to the NRA Foundation that it was terminating a 7-year agreement and demanded that the NRA remove the YETI name and logo from all NRA digital assets, as well as refrain from using any YETI trademarks in future print material. While YETI is trying to spin the story otherwise, those are the facts. While Yeti can choose to run from the NRA, they can’t run from the facts."
They did suddenly refuse to complete a previously negotiated purchase suddenly and without prior notice.
JohnBiltz
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If you want to know what is behind the whole thing Yeti was trying to go public with an IPO about two years ago. My guess is they were clearing their image for another try and it bit them hard.
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"Hammer concluded her statement by noting, “Whether this is due to the recent cancellation of the IPO from their New York City owners is a question only they can answer.” - Last line in the Breitbart article I linked above. I think you're right.
I just bought a Yeti 65 for my Boston Whaler. Given the products are premium, the price is premium and I wanted the best for my Whaler I did not mind the price even with it not being USA made or North America made. If it is true Yeti is going political rather than at least staying neutral I will not purchase another. Which I had planned to soon.
If I owned or ran a company like this I think rather than pandering to any side, I would just stay quiet.
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If I owned or ran a company like this I think rather than pandering to any side, I would just stay quiet.
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I'm the opposite. I don't trust an NYC owned company that pretends to still be in TX and which recently cancelled an IPO.
New York is better than Austin. That’s where all the liberals live anyway. Not a good place for faking to be rural or whatever is implied.
Double Naught Spy
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Either way, neither organization is coming out of this smelling pretty.
So they think Yeti is doing damage control. Maybe so, but that is exactly what the NRA is doing when yet another big name has moved to distance themselves from the NRA. The NRA needs big name companies like Yeti and all the others that have jumped ship and this attack on Yeti is a testament to that. They should have just let this go and sought out new vendors, but now they look like a bully. That isn't the type of behavior that will attract new vendors when they know that the NRA will engage in a smear campaign against them if they opt to leave.
So they think Yeti is doing damage control. Maybe so, but that is exactly what the NRA is doing when yet another big name has moved to distance themselves from the NRA. The NRA needs big name companies like Yeti and all the others that have jumped ship and this attack on Yeti is a testament to that. They should have just let this go and sought out new vendors, but now they look like a bully. That isn't the type of behavior that will attract new vendors when they know that the NRA will engage in a smear campaign against them if they opt to leave.
doubleh
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Pelican and Igloo both have coolers that are the equal of the Yeti that are lower priced and USA made. Rtic, although not USA produced, equals the Yeti at a lower price also.
BSA1
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WOW. Why do you want to be part of a organization that is "no longer advocating a pure 2A agenda when they do things like support HR-38."
Just to be clear the NRA never has advocated "a pure 2A agenda." They are a big organization made up of millions of members many of which have different opinions about what type of organization the NRA should be and on gun control. It doesn't take much research to see how much the NRA has changed from being about strictly shooting sports to also becoming politically active.
One issue is not enough for me to hate the NRA. Like you I am strongly opposed to HR38. However a very vocal group are. They are promoting their agenda through magazines such as The American Handgunner along with the Internet. Since the NRA is also supporting HR38 then this means that a large enough group within it has enough power to set it's agenda.
The good news is if the Democrats win the House come November HR38 is a dead issue which frankly I do not see as a bad thing.
Madcap_Magician
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I hope they e-mail you back and say they have no position on any of those things as a company because all of those things are unrelated to the production and sale of gold-plated coolers.
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I suspect that people in both organizations had some level of miscommunications both internally and externally.
personally, I use foam coolers because they are cheap and work almost as well as the expensive ones do at keeping things cold. and I can afford to just throw them away when I am done with them.
personally, I use foam coolers because they are cheap and work almost as well as the expensive ones do at keeping things cold. and I can afford to just throw them away when I am done with them.
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They emailed me back right at the close of business last night with a copy and paste of the exact press release I asked for clarification on. I just called and asked the same question: "Do you support the 2nd Amendment only for hunting, or do you support the individual right to self defense?" Yeti Rep: "We support the 2nd Amendment as a whole." Me: "So, do you support the individual right to self defense or not?" Yeti Rep: "We support the 2nd Amendment as a whole".
CoalTrain49
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I understand who the NRA is. They are a non profit political action committee (PAC)
I'm not so sure the NRA is doing the members bidding. From some of the responses I see here and on other forums I would say they're not.
I'm a member only because the range where I shoot requires it. They require it because the NRA provides the clubs insurance through a company that gives clubs a discount by being affiliated with the NRA. It's kind of like getting your insurance from AARP. If AARP can provide a block of 5 million people who need insurance an insurance company can give them a discount and pass it on to their members. I've been trying for over a year to get a certification through our NRA rep but he just isn't available. Other than that I'm not seeing a huge benefit to being an NRA member. I see my NRA dues as a pass thru so the club can afford insurance. I wasn't an NRA member before I joined the club. I have however supported the SAF for a long time because I like the work they do.
I don't like political action committees of any color or stripe so I'm not discriminating. I don't like lobbyists either. There is way too much money in DC driving legislation because of PAC's and lobbyists. Congress has become a millionaires club because of PAC's. Wayne LaPierre made 5 million in annual compensation in 2015 because he heads up a powerful PAC that lobbies congress. Just too much special interests there for me.
The NRA has never contacted me asking for input about their agenda. All they do is ask for more money. If they spent 10% of their time and money trying to find out what their members actually wanted instead of hiring phone solicitors and soliciting by mail they might have a more creditable organization.
I think most NRA members would like to see HR-38 passed. I don't think it will ever get through the Senate but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it did. Some states like CA aren't going to yield to it even if it does.
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If you wait or them you will be disappointed. You have to be proactive. Write letters, use e-mail, dial the phone. Make your opinions known.
CoalTrain49
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Do they interact with you or is it just a one way street? They don't interact with me at the local level. We have a rep that comes to our meetings maybe twice a year. I've never seen him active at the range other than trying to sign up new NRA members at the public day on Thursday. I've never seen him on the firing line and I shoot a lot.
I expect them to ask me how I feel about the issues. They can easily do that as they have my email and home address. They also have my phone number because they call me about once a month for more money. If they were truly interested in how members felt about an issue they could run a poll on their website or pole members through their accounts which has an email address for each member.
I went on their website and couldn't find a copy of their bylaws or who was on their BOD. It's my understanding that a member has to have a lifetime membership to be on the board and only they can select the executive officers. To be on the board one has to get through the nominating committee which is selected by the board. I'm pretty sure I don't have the right connections to get on the board even if I did have the 653 votes from lifetime members ($1500) to be a candidate.
The NRA is a tightly controlled organization from the inside. Me making a phone call or sending them an email isn't going to change much of anything.
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Yes, I indeed agree. The reason I went with the Yeti is that it fits better in my boat forward of the center console, the right width and the 65 is the correct height to allow the console tackle locker to still open. It was the right fit and size to swallow up red snapper too. But, I would not have bought one and done something else if all this is the case. Good thing I did not join here before I bought my Yeti 65 or my Whaler would be going to see without.
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It's a little more complicated than that. The NRA is a PAC. Political is the first word in PAC. Businesses don't care about politics, they care about their bottom line, making money. If they can't do that then they want to know why. If the reason is politics then they eliminate whatever the political hang up is and move on. If having an NRA affiliation isn't going to help you financially then most businesses are going to end that relationship.
Do you do business with companies who have no affiliation with the NRA. Of course you do, probably every day. How is an affiliation with the NRA a qualifier for doing business with any company. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?
No, the NRA-ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) affiliated with the NRA is a Political Action Committee and can engage in political advocacy--lobbying and contributions. The ILA does not receive money from the NRA but has to conduct its own fundraising.
The NRA itself can express general views through its magazine or if called to testify before Congress but in order to keep its tax status does not engage in direct lobbying or contributions to campaigns. The NRA itself, is not a business anymore than any other non-profit advocacy group.
BTW, private business people have shown that they care about politics by making stands that cost them customers and that in theory could expose them to class action lawsuits by stockholders as a breach of their fiduciary obligations.
The idea that business people in general are divorced from politics is frankly not true. The larger the business, the greater they invest in politics but even small businesses such as the online spice business have more or less disowned customers based on their political stances. As a business school grad, I can say that your take on business is naive that they only focus on profits. Instead, profits are simply one factor along with a host of others and profit maximization only really exists in textbooks. FYI, read up on stakeholder theories of ownership sometime. Remember, managers and ownership are separate and most large corporations are owned by mutual funds, pension funds, investment banks, and hedge funds. The business class in the upper reaches is really not much different on social issues such as firearm ownership than government employees, universities, or non-profits.
Personally, I choose to do business with organizations with compatible values as much as possible if I have a choice. Delta virtue signals then I fly Southwest and so forth. Put a guns not welcome sign at a restaurant, I'll go elsewhere to eat. If virtue signalling by corporations is cost free, then they will give in to the gun grabbers, bash religion, and so forth because it costs them nothing and pleases the left. Boycotting companies and their products is a peaceful means of persuading them to avoid being political and reminding them of the costs of appeasement. What everyone should fear is when peaceful persuasion and reason are no longer effective in public debate. Corporations can and have done quite well without a democracy. We the people can't.
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