So I Inquired with Yeti about the NRA issue.

[BigBore44]

It's a little more complicated than that. The NRA is a PAC. Political is the first word in PAC. Businesses don't care about politics, they care about their bottom line, making money. If they can't do that then they want to know why. If the reason is politics then they eliminate whatever the political hang up is and move on. If having an NRA affiliation isn't going to help you financially then most businesses are going to end that relationship.

Do you do business with companies who have no affiliation with the NRA. Of course you do, probably every day. How is an affiliation with the NRA a qualifier for doing business with any company. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

I do business with whomever I please. I’m sure I do business with companies that aren’t affiliated with the NRA-ILA. But I try not to do business with companies that sever ties with the NRA-ILA as a means of “holier than thou” grandstanding and pandering to the left. I do NOT patronize any business that has a “no guns allowed” sign in their window. It’s my choice. It’s my right. It’s called freedom. And I’m surviving quite well with it.

 

[BSA1]

I'm a member only because the range where I shoot requires it. They require it because the NRA provides the clubs insurance through a company that gives clubs a discount by being affiliated with the NRA.

I've been trying for over a year to get a certification through our NRA rep but he just isn't available. Other than that I'm not seeing a huge benefit to being an NRA member.

The NRA will never become anti-gun but they are becoming anti-2A. It's apparent to me that the NRA is no longer advocating a pure 2A agenda when they do things like support HR-38.

You have a most peculiar attitude about the NRA.

So you want to be a NRA Instructor and you “shoot a lot” at your clubs range which is insured through the NRA. Yet you complain that the NRA is not “advocating a purely 2A agenda.” So if the NRA was advocating a purely 2A agenda they would not be selling insurance to gun clubs so they can have a shooting range which most likely means you either would not have a place to shoot or you would have to go to range that costs more to shoot due to higher insurance payments.

So you are getting a huge benefit from the NRA.

The NRA has never contacted me asking for input about their agenda. All they do is ask for more money. If they spent 10% of their time and money trying to find out what their members actually wanted instead of hiring phone solicitors and soliciting by mail they might have a more creditable organization.

I have a simple solution to solicitors. Just don’t answer your telephone. We do not accept any telephone calls from 800 numbers. If it is important they will leave a voice mail. Don’t answer and after a while they will quit calling.

I think most NRA members would like to see HR-38 passed. I don't think it will ever get through the Senate but it wouldn't be the end of the world if it did. Some states like CA aren't going to yield to it even if it does.

I agree. So why worry about it? I have wrote to my Congressmen but I am just one voter.

 

[hdwhit]

SamT1 wrote:
On top of that a Coleman or anything else you’ll go through maybe 2 a year.

My Coleman coolers have been in regular service for 27 and 28 years (including mission trips to Mexico and Central America), respectively, and they're still going strong.

I also use cooling packs made out of water and wood fiber, so I'm not regularly buying bags of ice. I get mine free with shipments of injectable medication for my neurological condition, but if I had to go to the store and buy enough to fill up a cooler, I'd probably spend between $20 and $30, but since they can be repeatedly re-frozen, year after year, decade after decade, they don't contribute that much to the cost.

So, $30 for the cooler and $30 for the cooling packs equals about $60 across nearly 30 years. Round that up to $3 per year total system cost. Even if we assume the Yeti will last forever and thus not contribute any costs to the equation, by your own computation you're still spending more per year in ice than I've spent across the last (nearly) three decades.

 

[dh1633pm]

Yeti is a private business and can do what they want. They can start or end affiliation with any group at any time. Just like starting up an affiliation, ending one, also has political ramifications. Especially if your customer base are sportsman. Its as simple as that. I do business with companies all the time that have severed relationships with the NRA. Sorry, I have to rent the car that my company wants me to and fly on the airline they want me to use.

I would prefer to not do business with those who severed the relationship with the NRA in a political manner. I used to use Bank of American for my travel card, I now use Amex. I travel about 50%. In GA and VA the next two weeks.

As for Yeti and the NRA, its hard to say who is telling the truth. It would seem they are trying to backpedal. I don't care if they support the NRA or not, but don't break that support in a public way. Yeti is too rich for my blood. I just don't have the need for their products. So I can't really say I would boycott them, can I?

 

[DoubleMag]

The good news is if the Democrats win the House come November HR38 is a dead issue which frankly I do not see as a bad thing.

I...kinda...missed...your whole idea here? I certainly do not think you are advocating for (D)s winning but, then you state ''the good news is'' , which would never be any resemblance of, ''good news''

I too will use Igloo like I've been doing for many decades. I have their big cooler (100 quart?) in my boat as a livewell

Yeti always was & always will be too much $$

 

[Demi-human]

Stopping this...

We ported our landline to a pre-paid cell phone and saved more than if we had switched to Geico. In the last week we received 28 phone calls. None (zero) of them were from 800 numbers (or similar toll free area codes), but 19 of them were nevertheless still unsolicited sales calls.



I have been getting calls from scammers in the Indian sub-continent claiming to be from Windows Technical Support for more than a decade. So, they haven't stopped calling. I got one today, in fact, using an obviously spoofed caller-id number from a Memphis area code.

..is what our politicians SHOULD be doing. Not stepping on our necks...

Yeti may do as they please...

 

[DM~]

I have never understood the concept of spending $400 on a box to stretch the limits of my $1 bag of ice anyways. I don't get it.

Probably easier to understand IF you actually was out hunting 60 miles back in the bush, with NO PLACE to buy ANYTHING at all, let alone ice! (that isn't a dollar any more)

DM

 

[BSA1]

We ported our landline to a pre-paid cell phone and saved more than if we had switched to Geico. In the last week we received 28 phone calls. None (zero) of them were from 800 numbers (or similar toll free area codes), but 19 of them were nevertheless still unsolicited sales calls.

I have been getting calls from scammers in the Indian sub-continent claiming to be from Windows Technical Support for more than a decade. So, they haven't stopped calling. I got one today, in fact, using an obviously spoofed caller-id number from a Memphis area code.

But the telephone calls are not from the NRA which are whom CoalTrain49 is complaining about.

 

[CoalTrain49]

You have a most peculiar attitude about the NRA.

So you want to be a NRA Instructor and you “shoot a lot” at your clubs range which is insured through the NRA. Yet you complain that the NRA is not “advocating a purely 2A agenda.” So if the NRA was advocating a purely 2A agenda they would not be selling insurance to gun clubs so they can have a shooting range which most likely means you either would not have a place to shoot or you would have to go to range that costs more to shoot due to higher insurance payments.

So you are getting a huge benefit from the NRA.

That all sounds really convincing but it's far from the truth.

There's another range in the area. It's about 20 miles farther and it doesn't require NRA membership. If my dues go up substantially where I shoot now, which I've been told they might, I'll be moving there. The fees are actually about $100 cheaper per year at the farther range when I include my required NRA membership. The range I shoot at now gets a kick back from the NRA for every member they sign up. I shoot where I do now only because it's closer. The other range is a much nicer facility with a longer rifle range.

Yes, I explored the NRA training, but like I said, I wasn't able to get the NRA representative interested in putting a class together. The guy wouldn't even return my phone calls or my email so I gave up. It's sort of like communicating with the NRA in general. They mostly don't communicate with you unless you are a life time member ($1500) or they want money.

 

[BSA1]

There's another range in the area. It's about 20 miles farther and it doesn't require NRA membership. If my dues go up substantially where I shoot now, which I've been told they might, I'll be moving there. The fees are actually about $100 cheaper per year at the farther range when I include my required NRA membership. The range I shoot at now gets a kick back from the NRA for every member they sigh up. I shoot where I do now only because it's closer. The other range is a much nicer facility with a longer rifle range.

20 miles isn't very far to drive. Seems to me that you should give the NRA the heave-ho and go shoot at the other range which is cheaper so you don't have to give money to a organization that you distaste so much.

Until you do so you are getting a huge benefit from the NRA.

 

[doubleh]

That all sounds really convincing but it's far from the truth.

There's another range in the area. It's about 20 miles farther and it doesn't require NRA membership. If my dues go up substantially where I shoot now, which I've been told they might, I'll be moving there. The fees are actually about $100 cheaper per year at the farther range when I include my required NRA membership. The range I shoot at now gets a kick back from the NRA for every member they sign up. I shoot where I do now only because it's closer. The other range is a much nicer facility with a longer rifle range.

Yes, I explored the NRA training, but like I said, I wasn't able to get the NRA representative interested in putting a class together. The guy wouldn't even return my phone calls or my email so I gave up. It's sort of like communicating with the NRA in general. They mostly don't communicate with you unless you are a life time member ($1500) or they want money.

It's nice that you have those range options. Many of us don't. It's one range or nothing.

You were dealing with one person and not the NRA as a whole and he was not doing his job. Perhaps you should have contacted NRA headquarters about your problem with him.

 

[G'dale Mike]

We ported our landline to a pre-paid cell phone and saved more than if we had switched to Geico. In the last week we received 28 phone calls. None (zero) of them were from 800 numbers (or similar toll free area codes), but 19 of them were nevertheless still unsolicited sales calls.



I have been getting calls from scammers in the Indian sub-continent claiming to be from Windows Technical Support for more than a decade. So, they haven't stopped calling. I got one today, in fact, using an obviously spoofed caller-id number from a Memphis area code.

Why answer a phone call from anyone not on your contacts list or a number you recognize? Let the answering machine sort the wheat from the chaff.

 

[jdh]

Do they interact with you or is it just a one way street? They don't interact with me at the local level. We have a rep that comes to our meetings maybe twice a year. I've never seen him active at the range other than trying to sign up new NRA members at the public day on Thursday. I've never seen him on the firing line and I shoot a lot.

Our local guy goes to the gun shows and club meetings, he returns e-mails and phone calls.

National returns my emails.

 

[CoalTrain49]

No, the NRA-ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) affiliated with the NRA is a Political Action Committee and can engage in political advocacy--lobbying and contributions. The ILA does not receive money from the NRA but has to conduct its own fundraising.

That's the problem that a lot of people have. They can't make the distinction. Might be better if they were two separate organizations entirely.

 

[CoalTrain49]

20 miles isn't very far to drive. Seems to me that you should give the NRA the heave-ho and go shoot at the other range which is cheaper so you don't have to give money to a organization that you distaste so much.

Until you do so you are getting a huge benefit from the NRA.

I didn't say it was 20 miles from my door. I said it was 20 miles farther. The range I shoot at now is 20 miles from my house. The range I don't belong to is about 40 miles from my house. I shoot enough that it makes a difference given the traffic where I live.

You might call this a huge benefit but what it all comes down to is time and money. It really has to be evaluated by each individuals situation.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Our local guy goes to the gun shows and club meetings, he returns e-mails and phone calls.

National returns my emails.

I'll go on their web site and see if they get back to me. If I'm a member I should be able to log in without a lot of trouble and get a response from them within a day. At least that's the way it works with insurance companies.

 

[BSA1]

I didn't say it was 20 miles from my door. I said it was 20 miles farther. The range I shoot at now is 20 miles from my house. The range I don't belong to is about 40 miles from my house. I shoot enough that it makes a difference given the traffic where I live.

You might call this a huge benefit but what it all comes down to is time and money. It really has to be evaluated by each individuals situation.

id est quod est

You complain that the NRA is "not advocating a pure 2A agenda" but have no objections to the NRA providing insurance coverage for your club's shooting range (which is not a pure 2A agenda) just so you can save some time and money. So your wallet is overcoming your moral and political objections.

To quote Shakespeare; quisque sibi verus

 

[WestTexShooter]

The “tell” in this entire thing is yeti can not, or will not, name a single “other organization” they applied this to.

Yeti is not telling the truth.

They have bitten the hand that was feeding them.

If a store sells yeti, they get no more of my fetti.

 

[WestTexShooter]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/yeti-nra-business-ties/

People are shooting their Yeti coolers filled with tannerite. Don't they realize Yeti already has their money and now they just have to go buy a new cooler? And what makes it worse is that apparently they are doing it in reaction to what was NRA fake news and hand-waiving. Sometimes gun owners are their own worst enemies.

FWIW, I was never going to buy a $300 cooler anyway.

Snopes is the biggest adjudicator of facts not in evidence of anybody as witnessed by the combination of statement / claims in the title line of your referenced link.

Snopes will headline a report with “candidate A claims the color Blue should be outlawed Monday.”

Then they will rate it FALSE. Not because the candidate did not say he wanted to outlaw the color Blue (the main point), but because the headline (of their own making) was wrong in the claim he stated it on Monday, when it was stated on, say, Tuesday. They totally, as often as not, misdirect the focus of claims to reach their preconceived ideas.

As to people blowing up coolers, I have no doubt they realize they have already paid for them. It is theirs to do with what they want.

If yeti, or supporters, think that should be the focus, they will fail more quickly then the stupidity of their own actions would indicate.

The coolers will be replaced by better, more economical brands.

 

[CoalTrain49]

id est quod est

You complain that the NRA is "not advocating a pure 2A agenda" but have no objections to the NRA providing insurance coverage for your club's shooting range (which is not a pure 2A agenda) just so you can save some time and money. So your wallet is overcoming your moral and political objections.

To quote Shakespeare; quisque sibi verus

I see it a bit differently.

I've only been a member of that range for a few years. It takes awhile to get to understand any organization, how they function, what they offer, and how they are managed. When I joined I had not read their bylaws because you have to be a member to get those. As I previously stated, I had not been a member of the NRA before I joined that private range so I had no real experience with them either. At the time I had no "moral and political objections" to being a member of the NRA. Actually, I'm still learning about the NRA and their history just as I'm trying to understand how my range is managed. I wanted to run for the executive board of our range this year but I need another year as a member to do that. I also renewed my NRA membership in March. To be honest I don't know a lot about the NRA but like anything else one has to experience the organization before one can have enough information to form an opinion. I don't have time to listen to people who have no experience with the organizations they are criticizing, or promoting, so I try to be informed as much as possible. As a member of the NRA I have a right to complain about their agenda just as I have a right to complain about my range's agenda. I pay the dues. I do a lot of work for my range on and off the record.

I think you are trying very hard to misrepresent my personal situation. That's fine with me and I take no offense at that. It's just a discussion and you bring some valid points.

Everyone has to make up their own mind about the NRA and support them or not.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Yea we all know that 4-5 years ago yeti could probably donate a ton of stuff because they were banking. Today yeti has 10 or so competitors with most offering products of equal quality for anywhere from half to the same price. I can imagine they can’t afford to give the NRA or anyone else for that matter the same amount of support. Even God gets a percentage not a set amount!

It wouldn’t surprise me if they were in financial trouble and had to pull some programs to survive. You support your friends in good times and bunker down for the bad. I’d suspect yeti is having some hard times.

And I suspect times are about to get harder for them.

 

[Elkins45]

Snopes is the biggest adjudicator of facts not in evidence of anybody as witnessed by the combination of statement / claims in the title line of your referenced link.

Snopes will headline a report with “candidate A claims the color Blue should be outlawed Monday.”

Then they will rate it FALSE. Not because the candidate did not say he wanted to outlaw the color Blue (the main point), but because the headline (of their own making) was wrong in the claim he stated it on Monday, when it was stated on, say, Tuesday. They totally, as often as not, misdirect the focus of claims to reach their preconceived ideas.

As to people blowing up coolers, I have no doubt they realize they have already paid for them. It is theirs to do with what they want.

If yeti, or supporters, think that should be the focus, they will fail more quickly then the stupidity of their own actions would indicate.

The coolers will be replaced by better, more economical brands.

The coolers will be replaced by better coolers. It remains a topic of discusssion how economical it is to buy a replacement for what was otherwise a functional cooler.

I strongly objected to the 2008 taxpayer-funded bailout of General Motors. I didn’t drive my 1998 Chevy truck off a cliff to teach Congress a lesson. IMO these people make gun owners look like the dangerous idiots that the antis paint us to be.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

The coolers will be replaced by better coolers. It remains a topic of discusssion how economical it is to buy a replacement for what was otherwise a functional cooler.

Just put an NRA sticker over the Yeti logo.

 

[CoalTrain49]

The coolers will be replaced by better coolers. It remains a topic of discusssion how economical it is to buy a replacement for what was otherwise a functional cooler.

I strongly objected to the 2008 taxpayer-funded bailout of General Motors. I didn’t drive my 1998 Chevy truck off a cliff to teach Congress a lesson. IMO these people make gun owners look like the dangerous idiots that the antis paint us to be.

I was thinking the same thing.

What company will feel the wrath of NRA members with the next defection?

Once you're part of the NRA family I guess it's pretty hard to leave.

 

[Riomouse911]

IMHO: Yeti is a niche brand that was initially targeted to outdoorsmen who needed to have a cooler for extreme situations: 4-5-6 day hunting or fishing expeditions where restocking the ice isn’t possible, and a cooler full of water ruins harvested meat, fish, regular food etc. For those purposes, a Yeti or other similar brand makes perfect sense, even with the large purchase cost involved.

Well, the brand was embraced and exalted by the urban weekend status warriors, who revel in the oohs and ahhs the yeti ice chest gets when they toss in a 12 pack of craft beer and roll to the suburban camp or beach spots in a Range Rover towing an airstream. I have yet to meet one of these Glampers who have such an extreme need to retain ice for cooling a caribou waiting for the float plane or a hundred pounds of halibut two days out from Seattle. Yetis good for working men? Yes. The vast majority of buyers? No.

I believe I read that yeti is owned by a conglomerate that sells cosmetics, among other things. They have a base, and they are caving into the cyber bullying the left does do well. NRA is responding to the media trumpeting another company severing ties with some shaming of their own.
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