So why are we buying all these AR's again

[cracked butt]

I'm not part of the buying frenzy. I bought the EBR I wanted as soon as economically possible after the last ban expired.


As far as influencing politicians goes, we have a bunch of left wingers running for president, including Mccain. They really don't care about your opinions, they care about pushing the boundaries of socialism. MCcain-Feingold was voted into law by an overwhelming majority of our elected officials and it serves to further seperate the elected from the electorate.

 

[SSN Vet]

there's about a half a dozen rifles out there, that I desire to own and shoot. The ony thing the current political situation has done is change the order in which I aquire them.

 

[alsaqr]

I just got one, a Stag Arms left hand. It is good to have a left hand guy on the right flank.

 

[H2O MAN]

So why are we buying all these AR's again

I needed something that fired small bullets, all of my other EBRs are 7.62mm



My new 5.56x45mm NATO rifle is a Colt LE 6920

 

[Seafarer12]

I imagine he is talking about all the chicken littles buying 10 AR lowers at a time.

 

[esq_stu]

Buy receivers if you can't afford the entire gun. You ought to be able to get them in the $100 range ($900 got you 10 DPMS's at the Houston Gun Show today). Wait a few years until they become worth $1,000's+ and sell some or all of them.

Now this is an idea deserving serious consideration. Especially while face-to-face transactions for long guns are the way they are. They won't go below $100 - that's about the base price. Payday and tax refund day, and other spare change days, buying stripped receivers as an investment, especially if Hillary or Obama look likely to get elected, makes a lot of sense. One warning, though - if it becomes engaging in the "business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail" - it would be subject to FFL licensing requirements. (Including on a part-time basis.)

 

[Walkalong]

BTW: I just learned on another thread that we shall hence forth call them "pirate rifles". Argh!!! 15.

I like it.

I bought my AR 15 because they make try to ban them and the prices sky rocketed last time. I don't see that happening, but it might. I bought a lower with a parts kit as well. I had given my AR to my nephew and did not want to be caught without one if the worst happens.

 

[SamWhite50]

"We're buying all these rifles and everything else that goes with them because some morally corrupt men and women who make legislation within our government would like to end our ability to defend ourselves from the possibility of their absolute tyranny."

Man is that the truth or what!

 

[kgpcr]

i own two AR-15's. I liked them the first time i fired one in the USMC and i still love them! The reason i bought another one is the more there are the harder it will be to outlaw them. Support the NRA! You dont have to agree wth everything they stand for but we must do some thing to keep them from taking our rights!

 

[KC&97TA]

There's 2 ways to look at any "demorcatic" Klinton Klan or Osum Binladen gun legislation.

1. The Last AWB didn't work... and it has been ground into the faces of the Brady Bunch that it didn't work.

2. They're going to come back for the "Sport Utility Rifles"... and next time it won't be like the 94-2004 ban... they figured out that banning bayonet lugs and FH just made us laugh... they know there's millions of high capacity magazines out there now... the next ban will hurt, when ever it comes.

There are so many AR style of rifles being produced and sold... but when the last ban lifted it took almost a year till you could find gun shops that could keep one in stock for a week. So yes there are people stocking up on them. There's also more options; .223, 6.8spc, 9mm, .308... alot of AR guys have become like the 1911 guys. One Platform, many Calibers.

The way to keep the "evil people" from comeing back after the "sprot utility rifles"... take people shooting... seriously, find the anit-gun and take them to shoot or take thier kids shooting I helped out at the Boy Scout's a few years back with thier 22LR range, alot of the mothers didn't like the guns, but thier little boys did... was a fun experiance, wish I had more time to volunteer more often.

Want a tip when argueing with "freedom of speach, but I'll ban your gun" types, aske them, "have you excersiced your 2nd ammendment rights"... Oh I got a good smile the first time I fired back with that line, and I ended up converting a "Liberal fagget loveing hippy tree hugger", last I heard she bought herself a S&W .38 revolver... it's a start.

 

[RP88]

I'm saving up to buy an AK because I want one. I'm considering on buying it soon so that I'll actually be able to have it. If they move to ban them, then I'll buy a good deal of clips and ammo, and have fun while I can (assuming they go after ammo).

 

[printcraft]

Yes, with the current and future political climate I will be getting my first of many AR's and extra lowers. Foolishly I never really had much of an interest in a rifle. Handguns and shotguns aplenty. But hearing how they WILL try to ban, and may succeed if groups like the NRA and others don't stomp those ideas out really makes me . I don't want to be in a position in a few years of saying: "Man, I wish I had got one when I had the chance" When the anti's get on the bandwagon it only instills a greater desire in the pro gun community to buy. Maybe if they kept a lower profile we would not be so apt to run out and buy. Well..... we'll still buy even if they shut up, but their silence would be appreciated.

 

[Coronach]

FN SCAR coming out should make AR15s obsolete, right?

No.

Aluminum and plastic, lots of rails, but it comes with the adjustable stock and it also folds, and if you buy a new barrel you can shoot 7.61x51 and 7.62x39 both from one investment.

First, AFAIK any of the next generation *AR rifles (XCR, ACR, SCAR) are only designed to shoot intermediate rounds (5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, 6.8SPC, 6.can'tremember Grendel). If you want to shoot 7.62x51, you need to get the promised, but as-of-yet vaporware, "heavy" variant of the rifle. Second, adding a new capability will not make the AR obsolete. The AR will continue to do exactly what it does now. The *AR rifles are fractional improvements on the AR's capabilties.

AR15s might be at the top of their curve, meaning investment-wise values could drop if low-priced alternatives are more common.

Unlikely. The *AR rifles are certainly not going to be cheaper alternatives. There's literally no reason for the AR-15 rifle to ever be substantially cheaper than it is now. Sure, if the Dems lose huge in the next election, sales might slacken and the prices might drop marginally to keep merchandise moving. However, that is unlikely and temporary. What is more likely is the constant threat of new bans, which will push sales and cause price spikes as people engage in panic buying.

The best case scenario is that we're at flat spot in price. Worst case is that we're at the foot of a mountain. Either one says "buy" if you can afford to do so and have an interest in owning an AR.

I imagine he is talking about all the chicken littles buying 10 AR lowers at a time.

When you can get 10 quality lowers for $900, you may as well buy them. Economically, the worst case scenario is that you can sell them one at a time for $95 each and net yourself $50. The best case scenario (economically, not for RKBA) is you wait 20 years and sell them and put your kids through college.

OK, they probably won't appreciate that much, but think about how much class-3 stuff goes for now, 20 years after the registry was closed.

Mike

 

[jferrell54]

My thoughts are that after the presidential election the AWB will be brought back to life. Of course the president and vice president and most congress persons have a security detail with them. So they could care less about you and I. They just want more votes,period.But they won't get mine.

 

[Soybomb]

When you can get 10 quality lowers for $900, you may as well buy them. Economically, the worst case scenario is that you can sell them one at a time for $95 each and net yourself $50.

Actually I think economically the worst case scenario would be a ban that doesn't allow you to keep what you already have or doesn't allow sale/transfer of your existing guns.

 

[Coronach]

Actually I think economically the worst case scenario would be a ban that doesn't allow you to keep what you already have or doesn't allow sale/transfer of your existing guns.

No, then you just have to be more creative about storing and selling them.

Mike

 

[HorseSoldier]

FN SCAR coming out should make AR15s obsolete, right? Aluminum and plastic, lots of rails, but it comes with the adjustable stock and it also folds, and if you buy a new barrel you can shoot 7.61x51 and 7.62x39 both from one investment.

There are two versions of the SCAR, one in 5.56mm (with potential for caliber change to 6.8 Rem SPC, Grendel, and anything else that will run through an AR/STANAG mag well) and one in 7.62x51. I'm not entirely clear on which version will have the potential to convert to 7.62x39, but it's not looking like SOCOM's going to be buying a lot of the x39 weapons or conversion kits as far as I can tell.

It may be a moot point, anyway, as far as civilian shooters are concerned, since at least one rumor concerning the civilian legal SCAR-L is that it won't have the quick change barrel option, and so won't be especially easy to convert from caliber to caliber. This may just be a rumor, and even if it is planned, I suspect FN may change their mind once they're in competition with the Masada/ACR, since that design's quick barrel swap is one of its big potential selling features.

 

[Geno]

Given the fact that Remington is manufacturing within the AR arena (R-15 VTR), the AR has been rendered legitimate in the mainstream. This seems even more reasonable given consideration that Remington is billing the rifle as an exceptional "hunting" rifle. Oh, and it is camo, but black.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/Model_R-15_VTR.asp

Even Ruger has given way to high-capacity. I agree with the previous statements that the politicians in Washington are too smart to try to take away more firearms rights. The pendulum has begun the swing back to the right, and with significant momentum. They are too smart to step into its way, lest that momentum knock them out of politics, much like a recent sports writer was knocked out of office for a far lesser offense.

I seriously doubt that any ban will come into being. That stated, if someone does not want an AR-styled firearm they should not buy one; it leaves more available for those of us who desire them.

 

[RP88]

I doubt that a new AWB will have ownership of 'second pre-bans' killed by raids and confiscations, or by making it a crime to own one. What they may do is say that you can own one, but cannot keep it assembled and functional, much like DC's current disassembly part of their ban. They will most definitely illegalize selling, transferring, and purchasing them though. So, owning pieces will probably be fine until you try to sell, transfer, or assemble them into the gun. They could also ban the military ammo for them as well, as they are slowly learning that attacks on ammo are where they can generate the most success

hopefully they dont get 2/3 vote if/when the bill comes to the floor.

 

[Zundfolge]

The upsetting thing I've found is that many machine gun owners don't want to see the 1934NFA or 1958GCA stricken from the records because their collection would become worthless overnight.

I've never met any owners of full auto NFA goodies that wouldn't gladly see the value of their collection plummet if it meant they could run out and buy a brand new machine gun (there are a LOT of MG collectors that wish they could get their hands on an FN P90 for example).


Anyway, I keep seeing people recommend you run out and buy receivers. I'm sorry but the Dems/Antis know this loophole and I guarantee they'll plug it and you'll be stuck with a bunch of receivers you can't do anything with because either selling an "assault weapon" will be illegal and/or buying any part that finishes an "assault weapon" will be illegal (like uppers and the like).

 

[RP88]

yea, you'd just be better off buying it for yourself. If you are looking for a real investment, buy an SKS or a Garand. Maybe even a few Mosies. Since such weapons are not manufactured nor imported anymore, they could be worth a good deal in the long term. They are also immune to pretty much any ban enacted due to their 'lack of modern capability', so to speak (nothing 'scary or black' about them).

 

[Markbo]

He who chooses to ignore history is doomed to repeat it.

Me, I got plenty of black rifles. I will always be able to buy barrels and probably uppers only for not a huge amount of money. For now? I'm stocking up on magazines and getting my trust set up for NFA items. Now.

 

[phaed]

Are the prices going to skyrocket,

yes, imo

is Obamma, or Hillary going to shut down the Assault rifle ownership again,

yes, more fact than opinion

will we have to give them back, get a new tax levied on them, go in some secret black book,

if things keep going like they are...yes, imo

I just hope we don't all get stuck with a bunch of plastic rifles with enough optics so I have to re-finance my house.

then don't buy one

 

[Soybomb]

is Obamma, or Hillary going to shut down the Assault rifle ownership again,

yes, more fact than opinion

Well lets talk fact, how is this going to happen? We have a democatic controlled house and senate and a president that said he'd sign an AWB. What is going to change? Why aren't these bans even being pushed through on a state level? What impact might Heller have on it? How do you dismiss the increasingly pro-gun public opinion that has come since katrina and 9/11? How do you dismiss the increase in concealed carry states and the tremendously hot sales of ebr's?

I want to hear the thought process going here since you feel like its fact because all I'm reading from most people is "the Democrats are coming, the Democrats are coming."

 

[Markbo]

He who chooses to ignore history is doomed to repeat it.