Social media gun arguments

[Leon tP]

These days, I only do Gun Forums.

Some folks might remember when Forums were just Forums and the term Social Media hadn't been invented yet. Before that, I did Bulletin Boards.

To me Social Media is Facebook and Twitter then later Instagram and most recently Threads. I don't do any of those today.
But I did do Facebook, once upon a time, in the mid to later 2000's, maybe around 2006 or 2008, I don't remember anymore, it just wasn't important enough to me.
I would steer clear of political or religious arguments... until I couldn't, and then I would just keep asking the poster making big claims for more information and more stats because I was so interested and he was so knowledgeable...

Sooner or later, with enough rope, these idiots will hang themselves with there own facts and misguided or contradictory arguments.
They can't help it, being an online bigshot is like a drug and that's when I would move in and destroy them and expose them for the idiots and frauds that they were.

But just like roaches, they just keep reappearing and I got older and older. Social Media is a strange and unfortunate game. It reminds me of this movie.


So only gun forums for me these days, I don't like the term social media. Like an earlier poster called it, Socialist Media is more applicable.
I'll leave the younger generation to keep up the fight. My grown son talks about these anti-gun idiots all the time. I do my best to give him good information so he can do battle on my behalf.

 

[gwpercle]

You can't talk sensibly to Idiots ...
That's why I avoid "Social Media" ... they will not listen and they tell outrageous fabrications and distortions and they believe every word of what they say .
Just don't go there .
Gary

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

I am making an assumption that "Social Media" is Fakebook, Twitter, and other such wasters of productive time. I don't participate or belong to any of them so no, I don't argue with any anti's on social media. I spent the mid 1990's to about 2015 in personal public debates with the Marxists over national and social issues only to be confronted with name calling, threats, and personal attacks. It was fun and entertaining at the time but became wearying after some time. Especially when folks who were supposed to support my beliefs on Biblical and Constitutional issues chose to shrink into the background when push came to shove. Now I only trust family.

 

[LiveLife]

Now I only trust family.

You haven't met my family ... ... Now, I only trust my wife and our dogs.

I am making an assumption that "Social Media" is Fakebook, Twitter, and other such wasters of productive time. I don't participate or belong to any of them

 

[Leon tP]

You can't talk sensibly to Idiots ...
That's why I avoid "Social Media" ... they will not listen and they tell outrageous fabrications and distortions and they believe every word of what they say .
Just don't go there .
Gary

I'm reminded of this:


This is a sad reminder that the current stupid is nothing new. It's been around a long time... but it does seem to be getting worse.

And so I'm reminded of this, as well:

How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!

Mark Twain

I no longer have the patience, and I've got way better things to do than worry about what some ill-informed brat on Social Media is spewing.

 

[WrongHanded]

When I do entertain the idea of "debating" anti-gunners, I distill the argument down to its essence: If you can't imagine fighting another person to the death to save your life or the lives of those you love, you're simply not ready to contemplate firearms ownership. If you can imagine that and are still against gun ownership, you are clearly unfamiliar with the brutality of our species through the entirety of recorded human history.

 

[Mosin77]

Back in the day I used to argue about politics, which includes the issues that get grabbed by the parties and used to drum up support and votes, like gun control, abortion, etc.

It eventually dawned on me that nobody is posting these things honestly seeking truth and wanting to have a reasoned debate. They’re posting either to preach to the unwashed masses from their comfy computer chair and feel like they are therefore doing their part to save the world, or they’re posting so they can virtue signal and get likes and accolades from all their like-minded friends, and feel like they’re an important part of the group.

I have actually changed my opinions about something based on what someone on the internet has said -not sure whether that makes me unusually sincere and open to the truth… or maybe just unusually foolish for putting too much credence in what strangers write on message boards? But nevertheless I’m pretty sure it’s uncommon enough that it’s not worth my time to encourage or expect others to be equally open-minded.

 

[Ignition Override]

No, I've never been on "social (anti-social) media". Gun 'boards' are my only social media.

And would not contemplate trying to reason with people who believe that murderous Human Behavior can be controlled and eliminated: whether inside or outside the US Prison System.
It would be like trying to reason with an alcoholic.

Murders took place hundreds of thousands of years before this nomadic group (unfamiliar to me) rode west, featured in the link Below. -- V --

I was only trying to find any article about the murder of an isolated family about 6,000 years ago in what we call England.
The family - two adults, two teenagers -- had evidence of arrow wounds and had been hastily buried. No luck finding that info again.....or about those "Assault Arrows".

The most violent group of people who ever lived | Daily Mail Online

But to bring in campaign donations, the antis must use the almost meaningless phrase "gun violence". No mention of gang shootings or suicides, knives etc.

"Assault weapons" from the good old days.



Assault weapons - trucks, used to kill many people In Berlin, London, Nice France, NYC: Why shouldn't these be banned? Notice in the photo "Polizei" on the blue jacket, and the EuroZone license plate.

 

[wayneinFL]

Arguing doesn't work.

https://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

If somebody like that changes their minds, it's going to be after months or years of reconsidering their own opinions. It's not going to be a situation where you show them logic and they immediately flip their position. It can actually have the opposite effect.

 

[21H40]

I lost hope of having an effective debate about something as morally complicated as lethal force after completely failing to connect on issues related to basic science. That one trick doctors don't want you to know about? Yeah, it isn't real.

 

[herrwalther]

I try not to. I will post pro-gun messages, but I will not get into arguments with anti gun people. They just do not understand. And I have better things to do with my time like banging my head against a brick wall or nailing jello to a cabinet.

 

[hutch51]

No, I've never been on "social (anti-social) media". Gun 'boards' are my only social media.


"Assault weapons" from the good old days.

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Hey - You left out crossbows

 

[Remington1911]

I don't go looking for them, but if I happen by one I will stop and play. And that is how I look at it, play. If you know your subject and have taken the time you can bring up stats from the .gov that will poke holes in every argument they have. When they start to get shaken the name calling will start. Perhaps something as "mellow" as "gun nut". But don't accept any kind of name calling. Be very "high road" and use terms like discuss like we are adults. They generally go away when they see they are defeated by stats from sources they agree with.

I have great fun doing it.

 

[230RN]

When I do entertain the idea of "debating" anti-gunners, I distill the argument down to its essence: If you can't imagine fighting another person to the death to save your life or the lives of those you love, you're simply not ready to contemplate firearms ownership. If you can imagine that and are still against gun ownership, you are clearly unfamiliar with the brutality of our species through the entirety of recorded human history.

I gotta remember that one. I have offered this variation: "It takes one good mugging or one good tyranny to convince some people about gun rights."

Terry, 230RN

 

[herrwalther]

I gotta remember that one. I have offered this variation: "It takes one good mugging or one good tyranny to convince some people about gun rights."

Anyone that is both anti-gun but pro sending weapons to Ukraine is too stupid to engage with.

 

[plainsdrifter]

Try being liberal and Pro-gun. LOL

I'll argue with anti-gunners till the cows come home, and maybe longer. I am a member of a liberal based gun club (does not mean Democrat) as well. There's thousands of us, prolly millions.

I send messages to antigun Democrats who keep asking me for my money and tell them they are idiots. I ask them to explain to me how I am going to protect myself against criminals or politicians that want to take away my rights, all rights, right to choose, right to screw who I want and so on.

All those to me are God given rights. It seems both party's are out there wanting to take away our rights. Some concentrate on guns, others personal rights.
Ya gotta keep an eye out on both of them.
Hell even my dog knows that.

 

[Charlie Martinez]

"It takes one good mugging or one good tyranny to convince some people about gun rights."

You are absolutely right. It takes some people personally experiencing a tragedy before they learn lessons that could have been learned by listening or reading, However there is a very distinct difference between a mugging and a tyranny (like Socialism).

It is possible to recover physically & psychologically from a mugging within the span of a normal lifetime but a society does not very often recover quickly from a tyranny . Socialism isn't like a suit you can try on & return if it doesn't fit. Once a society decides to go with socialism or any type of tyranny it is stuck with it for decades.

 

[theotherwaldo]

I - and some members of my family - are alive today because I was armed and able to use a weapon at certain times in the past.
Thus, I believe that my ability to possess and use weapons is a necessity.

Other people may have to reach a similar conclusion for themselves - if they and their loved ones survive to do so... .

 

[TriTone]

Yes, mainly for the purpose of those reading, not expecting those posting/arguing to ‘un-dig’ their heels from their stance.

It’s important to have the discourse for those ‘on the fence’ or still undecided (whether they realize it themselves or not) to make their own minds up.

I don’t worry about or expect to win hearts/minds of extremists (and there are on both sides of the argument) and that doesn’t devalue anyone’s engagement in the discourse, at all.

It’s for the benefit of the potentially millions of people not posting, but reading and taking in your words, regardless.

 

[230RN]

Charlie Martinez said,

230RN said:
"It takes one good mugging or one good tyranny to convince some people about gun rights."

You are absolutely right. It takes some people personally experiencing a tragedy before they learn lessons that could have been learned by listening or reading, However there is a very distinct difference between a mugging and a tyranny (like Socialism).

It is possible to recover physically & psychologically from a mugging within the span of a normal lifetime but a society does not very often recover quickly from a tyranny . Socialism isn't like a suit you can try on & return if it doesn't fit. Once a society decides to go with socialism or any type of tyranny it is stuck with it for decades.


You are absolutely right. It takes some people personally experiencing a tragedy before they learn lessons that could have been learned by listening or reading, However there is a very distinct difference between a mugging and a tyranny (like Socialism).


It is possible to recover physically & psychologically from a mugging within the span of a normal lifetime but a society does not very often recover quickly from a tyranny . Socialism isn't like a suit you can try on & return if it doesn't fit. Once a society decides to go with socialism or any type of tyranny it is stuck with it for decades.

Of course. And given your background of escape from tyranny, your remarks are 100% appropriate and welcome. I just like to boil Truths down to high-impact aphorisms.

And, The other Waldo, the biggest problem we have is the quite natural attitude of the media that "If it bleeds, it leads."

So we rarely hear of positive firearms use. The American Rifleman has long had a section called "The Armed Citizen" where such examples are reported every month. It is also available on-line at

An Official Journal Of The NRA | The Armed Citizen®

Millions of Americans use firearms to defend themselves, their families and their homes. We highlight the remarkable stories of these Armed Citizens every week.

www.americanrifleman.org

As they used to say, "The mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, has prevented many crimes."

Terry, 230RN
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[bdickens]

I prefer to spend my time more productively. For example: discussing Kantian epistemology with a brick wall or debating Kierkegaard with the cat.

 

[.308 Norma]

I prefer to spend my time more productively. For example: discussing Kantian epistemology with a brick wall or debating Kierkegaard with the cat.

 

[Outlaw75]

...or debating Kierkegaard with the cat.

Spare me! Try living with a cat who's a strict Nietzscheanist!

 

[ms6852]

Do you get involved in arguments regarding guns on social media?

Nope, I'm not even on Facebook, link, twitter or other media . Two forums only, this and another and then I won't bother to argue either especially when it comes to opinions. Papa always used to say argue with a fool and people won't be able to tell the two of you apart.

 

[Thomasss]

Do you get involved in arguments regarding guns on social media?

Frequently! I politely talked to my minister after his service, explaining maybe he should use the term "violent crime" instead of "gun violence." After explaining my point, he agreed. You see gun violence is commonly being used collectively by the media for all crime. How often do we hear about crime committed with knives, baseball bats, hammers, and even screwdrivers. There are plenty of those, they just aren't reported, because they don't fit the media's narrative on violence.

There is too much fake news going through all types of media and people are believing what they are hearing instead of questioning the facts.
The anti-gunners quote all types of stuff they don't know what they are talking about. It time to approach them and tell them the truth and have them eat their words. I can buy a cannon from Dixie Gun Works, in spite of what the president says...even today as it was done years ago.
In a neighborhood outing, I got into a lively argument with a few people about bear hunting and predator hunting coyotes. The others were wildlife anti-hunting types that didn't like the fact that one could enter a contest at an evil tavern for shooting the largest animal. Some how that didn't fit into their "definition" of hunting and fair chase. They didn't like hunting anyway. They did like photographing animals though. I mentioned to them how hunting equipment and licensing supports control and propagation of animals in our state. I asked how often they donate to our state DNR or any other wildlife organization. They honestly said they don't. I explained the rules of hunting and said those rules and seasons can change through public in-put every year. I don't know if I converted anyone, but I haven't heard any more complaints from my comments either.