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"Why, were you planning to be an ###?" Is the response I would have thought of long after the discussion.
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Nice crowd... lol
Reloadron
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I normally just let it go. First there is no sense in arguing with a fool as anyone watching can't tell the difference. My experience with the anti-gun and other subjects is no matter how much factual information or data I toss out they aren't going to believe it. I hear people totally misinformed about guns and with no understanding of guns telling me guns are bad. Begins with talking heads in Washington DC and trickles down through their minions. Arguing with them is like peeing into the wind. While having no understanding of guns or gun control laws they are set in their beliefs, facts mean nothing to them as they can't begin to comprehend facts. A first step would be getting people to understand you can't legislate morality and the criminal element does not follow the laws.
Ron
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I tend to mix among a demographic of like-minded people. That said, I don't concern myself with others' level of comfort regarding my lawful pastimes and hobbies. I'm sure those who engage in activities I don't agree with mostly feel in a similar way about my comfort level.
I would, however, be curious as to where your colleague's level of comfort sits as it applies to law enforcement professionals (if for no other reason, my own enlightenment). I would say that they have a heavy level of involvement with firearms. After all, they carry one (or maybe 2) on their body at work daily, and probably most if not all the time off duty. They train in the various aspects of tactics, marksmanship, and so on. Most if not all of them have ready access to more powerful weapons than their issued sidearms, and I think they all wear body armor. Do these public servants "get a pass" from your colleague, versus the "common citizenry" regarding this matter?
I would, however, be curious as to where your colleague's level of comfort sits as it applies to law enforcement professionals (if for no other reason, my own enlightenment). I would say that they have a heavy level of involvement with firearms. After all, they carry one (or maybe 2) on their body at work daily, and probably most if not all the time off duty. They train in the various aspects of tactics, marksmanship, and so on. Most if not all of them have ready access to more powerful weapons than their issued sidearms, and I think they all wear body armor. Do these public servants "get a pass" from your colleague, versus the "common citizenry" regarding this matter?
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snowman357
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A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”
― Don B. Kates Jr.
― Don B. Kates Jr.
Golfanaticshooter
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I'll pile on. The theories and writings of Marx and Engels are one thing, how they have been put into practice are quite another. I don't know, study history.You missed that one by a mile, try reading a book occasionally!
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
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I would think you meant IMmaturity
.308 Norma
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On Friday, the 2nd of July I was fishing down on Twin Lakes with a couple of buddies. There were several water skiers around, and the wakes from their boats were rocking our boat pretty badly, which lowered my "comfort level" considerably because I've always been susceptible to motion sickness.
I'm sure those water skiers would have felt bad if they would have seen how I was staggering when my buddies and I got back to shore. The water skiers would probably have felt just as bad as I would have if they had noticed the little Glock 44 I was wearing, and if noticing that would have lowered their "comfort levels."
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I dunno a lot of new gun buyers that would never want a gun before. Always new people coming to church that didn’t go before either.
I think judging a tree by its fruit is prudent in this instance.
jonnyc
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This has been my world in 28 years of public school teaching. At 61, I've become less concerned with the thoughts of others on the subject and have become much more open and happy to talk about guns, the 2AM, and my hobbies. I don't give specific details, but my ideas and leanings are pretty well known and understood, if not always respected. I've had plenty of "discussions" with administrators and fellow teachers, but it's usually been pretty civil and open. Interestingly, I've never had any relevant issues with students or parents.
Howland937
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With the current clamoring from some of the same people that are anti-2A wanting to defund the police, I'd say it's a toss up. Asking their thoughts on police having weapons might be throwing gas on the fire.
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I get in a conversation with people who rant about gun nuts and I explain to them that 99.9 % of gun owners are only fighting for their rights that are being threatened by corrupt politicians and citizens that are ignorant. That doesn't make us gun nuts.
DustyGmt
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I like that better than "well I guess now we know where to go if blank hits the blank".
I hate that. But yeah, people are very wary of "gun nuts". It's also surprising to see people's reactions if you carry a pocket knife with a 3" or greater blade length. Like if you carry anything other than an old timer or Swiss army you will be catching a hairy eyeball, it's easy to get labeled a weirdo or a paranoid based on these things.
Nevermind letting some people see you printing a gun in your waist. I recently heard a guy, older guy, retired teacher, tell me on the subject of the country's sick fascination with guns and self defense that he has a katana sword behind his front door and anybody who thought they needed more was "insane". Because apparently hacking somebody to ribbons with a sword is more socially acceptable than shooting.....
He wasn't a samurai or ninja by the way. I didn't bother having too much more discussion with him. Massachusetts. Gotta love em.
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Enthusiasm of ones chosen hobby don`t not make them a nut.
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I don't generally discuss politics (or guns) with professional colleagues (I work as a patent attorney in an academic lab where most are fairly left leaning), although my military service will come up occasionally and I'll say something like "the very first thing I was in the professional world was a Special Forces Weapons Sergeant" and if that draws questions -- and it usually does -- I'll say something about the fact that to be truly moral one must first explore their dark, violent side and then decide not to embrace it. Then someone usually changes the subject....
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I have a friend (Jack) that believes that only myself, another mutual friend, LEO’s & Military should have guns … his daughter is now a detective, but put in her time patrolling … she and I get along famously!
My wife doesn’t “like” firearms but has helped me to keep an eye on things at several shows and made friends with other venders and their wives.
To me, my Jack & my wife are weird.
I usually avoid conversations about politics & firearms until I know more about the person, especially colleagues, although I’ve been thrown in the limelight by colleagues to people I don’t know but I play it down and on more than one occasion glad I did … but a couple times it led me to purchasing collections.
My wife doesn’t “like” firearms but has helped me to keep an eye on things at several shows and made friends with other venders and their wives.
To me, my Jack & my wife are weird.
I usually avoid conversations about politics & firearms until I know more about the person, especially colleagues, although I’ve been thrown in the limelight by colleagues to people I don’t know but I play it down and on more than one occasion glad I did … but a couple times it led me to purchasing collections.
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So true. And there is another factor: liberal men are still MEN. Like a buddy of mine, a hardcore liberal who teaches African history and has a backyard range, said about another liberal who has timidly said he might like to try shooting a gun, “Just give him an AK and a case of Tula and he’ll come around on that gun control nonsense.”
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And speaking of social stigma, what’s up with the weird banner ads?
I know, they’re personalized. But for whom?
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I work for hard-core leftist so I keep my mouth shut, no politics or hobbies. I do charge them double though.
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I read the book. You might consider a history book.
So, I guess "real Marxism had never been tried," because all of the experiments end in Orwellian hellholes instead of People's Paradise, right.
Maybe if we let you run things, you'll be the first to get it right!
@DocRock's comment reflects what really happens, as reliably as sunrise, whenever the Marxists get their hands on power. This is so consistently observed that your feigned ignorance of history appears malicious instead of just incompetent.
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FL-NC
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True- but it would definitely let me know that I'm dealing with a 100% irrational individual that I would want to avoid at every opportunity in the future.
Archie
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You should perhaps try reading history. Despite what Marx is claimed or purported to have said, every socialist scheme of government has severely restricted the ownership of firearms, or any other manner of opposing 'the state'. That is reality and the result of advocating socialism or communism.You missed that one by a mile, try reading a book occasionally!
“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”
― Karl Marx
I have a sneaking suspicion the same thought managers who broadcast this claim are the same ones who condition the average person to fear guns and gun owners.
Way of topic now. Closed for some evaluation.
First, a debate about Marxist quotes is way off topic for this thread.
Second, the quote from Kates. It is supposedly from Freud. The problem is Freud never said that. Kates' analysis of the quote was to debunk it.
Also, it is a misinterpretation of Freud's precepts on phobias in general (not specific weapons phobia) and their causality. Thus, using this statement makes you look quite foolish (as do some other gun cliches, like the bogus Yamamoto quote).
It will stay closed then. Talk or not, it's your life.
First, a debate about Marxist quotes is way off topic for this thread.
Second, the quote from Kates. It is supposedly from Freud. The problem is Freud never said that. Kates' analysis of the quote was to debunk it.
Also, it is a misinterpretation of Freud's precepts on phobias in general (not specific weapons phobia) and their causality. Thus, using this statement makes you look quite foolish (as do some other gun cliches, like the bogus Yamamoto quote).
It will stay closed then. Talk or not, it's your life.
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