Soldiers beaten in the US. Police don't help.

[Didorian]

My GF has a Military Girl Friends site and found this: http://www.komotv.com/stories/38771.htm
Now I've only read the sinopsis, can't run the video.
Once again, so few people realize that the police have no actual obligation to DEFEND you..... And they get so mad and upset when something like this happens.....
Saddly I don't blame the first cop on the scene for not rushing in to help, if what is written is true.
My question is this..... Why wern't these men armed?? Or atleast of a mindset that would allow them to fight back??
I just don't understand "Normal" people......

 

[Jeeper]

I saw this video the other day on the news and it is awful. It is really amazing that no one stopped to help from all the cars that drove by. Typical lowlife behavior. It all started after one of the soldiers was defending his girlfriend who got gropped by one of the attackers.

 

[Didorian]

Damn.........
Now if that is what's on the video then why wasn't any of that in the write up on it????
Now that ???? just pisses me off...
I use to run through similar scinarieos in my head for something like this but things never got that far..... I'm normally LOOKING OUT for trouble....
But Damn....

 

[c_yeager]

Just to give people some background on the area, Pioneer square is a VERY SMALL portion of Seattle. It is the central party location on any given night, and there are usually between around 5-10 uniformed officers in the viscinity (which accounts for about 2-3 city blocks) as well as numerous off-duty officers working the front door of EVERY SINGLE CLUB THERE. In other words, there were easily a half dozen cops within sight of this incident for the entire duration.

 

[berettashotgun]

My dad always used to say "Don't try and pluck a hair from the lions a$$ while he is awake" Those thugs need to be punished,but the poor guy needs to pick his dating grounds a little better.The dead pedestrian who stepped into the path of the moving truck actually had the right of way..................

 

[Sleeping Dog]

The video showed a few gruesome seconds of the beating. Mostly it's an interview with a relative of one of the beaten, arguing about whether it took 5 or 15 min for 911 response. And complaining about the cop that didn't intervene.

No info about how it started or whether the beaters are identified. This apparently happened at the end of July.

Regards.

 

[carebear]

I never found Pioneer Square a particularly dangerous spot to go out. It's prime tourist country. One feature (used to be anyway) was a pay one cover charge for most of the bars fronting the square. That could lead to a cheap drunk if one tended that way.

 

[stealthmode]

very disturbing

 

[scubie02]

personally I'd like to see the soldier's unit go find those guys and see how they fared when it wasn't about 20 or 20 guys against 2 or 3...

 

[Bad Words]

Just to give people some background on the area, Pioneer square is a VERY SMALL portion of Seattle. It is the central party location on any given night, and there are usually between around 5-10 uniformed officers in the viscinity (which accounts for about 2-3 city blocks) as well as numerous off-duty officers working the front door of EVERY SINGLE CLUB THERE. In other words, there were easily a half dozen cops within sight of this incident for the entire duration.

Most nights there are only 2 police officers assigned to West Precinct. Also, that video looks like it's at Jackson and 1st, where there's no off-duty officer working, especially since the SPD's recent troubles with off-duty club work.

 

[R.H. Lee]

I couldn't get the video. Why do people even bother with Quicktime? It's the worst. Seems like more an more of this third world stuff is happening. Seattle of all places! Time is overdue to take back the streets IMO.

 

[MillCreek]

And also living in the Seattle area, let me point out that in any establishment that serves alcohol, concealed carry is prohibited by state law, unless you are a LEO. And for many of the Pioneer Square clubs, door security runs a metal detector over you to ensure that you are not carrying. So if you want to carry in Pioneer Square, don't go to any of the bars!

 

[dpesec]

I wasn't able to load the video. Did the soldiers even try and defend themselves. But either way, I agree those animals should be shipped over to Iraq as engineers (read mine clearing)

 

[Bad Words]

I wasn't able to load the video. Did the soldiers even try and defend themselves?

The soldiers were out cold for the entire video. Just showed people stomping on their heads and then holding one of them up seemingly to brag to all the witnesses. There were about a dozen or so pedestrians watching, and a big line of cars driving by at about 5 mph due to traffic.

 

[rwc]

Most nights there are only 2 police officers assigned to West Precinct. Also, that video looks like it's at Jackson and 1st, where there's no off-duty officer working, especially since the SPD's recent troubles with off-duty club work.

Quite true. There's been something of an SPD scandal around off-duty officers working at clubs (through a union organized highering service only) where SPD officers were turning a blind eye to, or participating in, illegal activity. Not many officers there at all unless you've got a protest march coming through.

FWIW - My wife and I lived at First & Jackson for a year and a half two years ago (walking to work is great). Frankly, the greatest annoyances were drunk frat-boys peeing on our doorway, and drunk motorcyclists drag racing after the bars closed. The greatest danger are these kind of fights. I'm a good 20 years from being a club-goer so no threat to me.

What Pioneer Sq. or downtown Seattle as a whole is not, is a good place to raise kids. We're 4 miles away now and worried about what we're going to do in 5 years when it is school time. :banghead:

 

[joachim slim]

doing nothing

whats the old saying? all it takes for evil to abound is for good men to do nothing. i had some people with bad intentions circle my daughter and her friend while we stopped at a fual stop in west memphis. as they came back to the car the were harrassed worse. all it tookm was a show of mr. ruger and the so called bad boys disappeared.

 

[chopinbloc]

police departments have no duty to protect as they cannot protect everyone. police officers do have a duty to protect. they are sworn, what exactly is it they swear. i know i swore to protect THEIR sorry ass and every other american, what is an leo's oath? public servants have taken on a job, often dangerous, where people's lives are at stake. a fireman cannot choose not to rescue someone because he's scared and the same goes for a cop that worthless punk should be fired. the soldier could easily have died, therefore if it seemed to risky to use less lethal measures the officer could have simply shot the offenders. i would have.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

the officer could have simply shot the offenders

That would be the simplest thing to do, of course.

After interviewing everyone on the scene to determine which ones were the offenders and which were the defenders. After double checking the stories to see if they're consistent. After allowing for the hyperbole of the relatives who are present. After figuring out who's lying. After keeping everyone orderly so you don't forget who gave which answers and who didn't get interviewed and who got interviewed twice.

After all that, then yes, shoot the offenders. Making sure the shooting is on someone's video, so you get all due credit for the shoot.

Regards.

 

[Geno]

While sickening, racial slurs are not needed or welcomed here!

The "gentleman" who stated that the, "'monkeys' should be found and handed" is off base and out-of-line. Such racial slurs remove the focus from the beaters, to the viewers. It also lends itself to use by others top justify Black America's legitimate use of violence as a reaction to years of passive aggressive racism. I've heard that line of "crap" in the Detroit area for too many years. Violence is wrong and so is bigotry.

Regarding this matter, they are all on videotape. Fire the cop(s) who were passive. Find the BGs and imprison them for life...no parole. This situation is food for thought for America...where would we all be without our firearms?!?! We would be at the mercy of cowardly cops, abusive cops, and conscienceless BGs. The good, honest and brave cops would NEVER be able to be everywhere all the time.

Doc2005

 

[Zach S]

After interviewing everyone on the scene to determine which ones were the offenders and which were the defenders.

Here's a scenerio involving two guys, named "Guy 1" and "Guy 2."

Guy 1 is out cold, laying on the asphalt. Guy 2 is stomping on his head. Hmmm....

 

[OH25shooter]

I watched the video. As a retired LEO have seen and been involved in simular incidents working a one-man cruiser. Don't know what is going on in the SPD regarding internal problems, but cops DO come to aid of injured parties such as recorded on that video. We get paid and are trained for such. If an officer was nearby and did nothing...I say FIRE that incompetent, coward, lazy-ass officer. Besides, who else is going to help, certainly not all the people driving by in those cars. Unbelievable.

 

[chopinbloc]

After interviewing everyone on the scene to determine which ones were the offenders and which were the defenders.

as was already mentioned, the individual who is continuing his aggressive activity against a limp body is the bad guy. the limp (possibly dead) body is the victim. how hard is that?

 

[Sleeping Dog]

the limp (possibly dead) body is the victim. how hard is that?

In this case, that would seem to be correct.

In some other instance, the limp (possibly dead) body could be the terrorist / drug-dealer / child-molester / perpetrater target of some instant mob justice. A bad situation, but not one where "simply shoot the offenders" is the best choice.

Handcuffs all around, and a big paddy wagon would be a better choice. Let the interviews and justice system sort it out.

Regards.

 

[Henry Bowman]

And also living in the Seattle area, let me point out that in any establishment that serves alcohol, concealed carry is prohibited by state law, unless you are a LEO.

Not exactly true. CCW is only prohibited in "21 and over" establishments or portion of the establishments. This means "bars" and would cover all relevant Pioneer Square establishments.


It's fashionable to be an anarchist in Seattle, and fashionable to be "tolerrant" of freaks and idiots of all types. The pounders were just "expressing themselves against a symbol of repression and government" so "who am I to judge them or interfere?"

 

[MillCreek]

And also living in the Seattle area, let me point out that in any establishment that serves alcohol, concealed carry is prohibited by state law, unless you are a LEO.

Not exactly true. CCW is only prohibited in "21 and over" establishments or portion of the establishments. This means "bars" and would cover all relevant Pioneer Square establishments.

The actual pertinent portion of RCW 9.41.300 is this:

(1) It is unlawful for any person to enter the following places when he or she knowingly possesses or knowingly has under his or her control a weapon:
(d) That portion of an establishment classified by the state liquor control board as off-limits to persons under twenty-one years of age;

So, as I mentioned earlier, concealed carry is prohibited in bars, taverns or those areas of restaurants excluding minors because they serve alcohol. There are a few Pioneer Square businesses that do not serve alcohol, but they may have their own policies against carry.