Sometimes Peaceful Protest Works

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And sometimes it doesn't.

This is from the history channel. Dates vary due to the International Date Line:


June 3/4: General Interest
1989 : Crackdown at Tiananmen begins

With protests for democratic reforms entering their seventh week, the Chinese government authorizes its soldiers and tanks to reclaim Beijing's Tiananmen Square at all costs. By nightfall on June 4, Chinese troops had forcibly cleared the square, killing hundreds and arresting thousands of demonstrators and suspected dissidents.

On April 15, the death of Hu Yaobang, a former Communist Party head who supported democratic reforms, roused some 100,000 students to gather at Beijing's Tiananmen Square to commemorate the leader and voice their discontent with China's authoritative government. On April 22, an official memorial service for Hu Yaobang was held in Tiananmen's Great Hall of the People, and student representatives carried a petition to the steps of the Great Hall, demanding to meet with Premier Li Peng. The Chinese government refused the meeting, leading to a general boycott of Chinese universities across the country and widespread calls for democratic reforms.

Ignoring government warnings of suppression of any mass demonstration, students from more than 40 universities began a march to Tiananmen on April 27. The students were joined by workers, intellectuals, and civil servants, and by mid-May more than a million people filled the square, the site of Mao Zedong's proclamation of the People's Republic of China in 1949.

On May 20, the government formally declared martial law in Beijing, and troops and tanks were called in to disperse the dissidents. However, large numbers of students and citizens blocked the army's advance, and by May 23 government forces had pulled back to the outskirts of Beijing. On June 3, with negotiations to end the protests stalled and calls for democratic reforms escalating, the troops received orders from the Chinese government to seize control of Tiananmen Square and the streets of Beijing. Hundreds were killed and thousands arrested.

In the weeks after the government crackdown, an unknown number of dissidents were executed, and hard-liners in the government took firm control of the country. The international community was outraged by the incident, and economic sanctions imposed by the United States and other countries sent China's economy into decline. By late 1990, however, international trade had resumed, thanks in part to China's release of several hundred imprisoned dissidents.

I note this report does not mention the famed incident of the student blocking the tanks. As far as I'm concerned, that photo ranks right up there with the Iwo Jima photo. Nobody knows for sure who that student was, but he "disappeared."

Poof!

This entire subject is still taboo in China, I am told. Perhaps that's why the History Channel did not mention that student. Can't offend the Chinese, after all.

I wrote a very short letter to the Boulder Daily Camera at the time, which was published. Paul Danish of Soldier of Fortune magazine, which was also published in Boulder CO, reprinted it in his editorial column in the following issue.

My letter to the editor went simply:

Tiananmen Square.

Unarmed Citizenry.

See?

--Terry, 230RN
 

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Can't offend the Chinese, after all.
Of course not. We will overlook a long history of oppression as long as they continue to supply us with the cheap imports upon which we unfortunately have become dependent.
 
Too bad more "protesters" weren't killed, injured, or arrested.

These scum were the products of foreign imperialist brainwashing. If 6-4 had succeeded, China would not be the China of today. China would be carved up again by major world powers, and ravaged by clan warfare and brutal retaliations that result from the clashing warlords.

Mei Yo Gong Zhang Dang Juo Mei Yo Xing Zhong Guo
Translation: Without the Communist party, there will be no new China.

Long live the CCP! For protecting our nation and upholding our 5,000 years of glorious civilization!

Down with traitors and usurpers in our country and may they rot in Hell.

The " student" disappeared, hopefully for good.
 
I don't care if I get flamed. I love my country, and is happy that all those traitorous scum got crushed by the might of the People's Liberation Army.

So, flame me all you want:), but that won't make my love for my country fade even a bit.
 
Yeah. He sits in New York using his First Amendment rights to defend a murderous government that does not recognize even the most basic of fundamental human liberties.

That, or he's about the most fantastic online performance artist I've encountered.
 
I am not a commie sympathizer at all. if I was, I would be supporting mass murderers like Guervara.

I love the Communist Party in China because it purged our nation of all demonic materialist influences, and it helped us rise again after 100 years of foreign oppression and humiliation on our own soil.

The CCP did what the Taiping Tienguo failed to do in 1853, that is destroy the foreign imperialists and rid our sacred land of the opium and filth of the oppressors.

Thats all I wanted to say. So flame on!:)
 
Why do you keep calling China "our nation" ? If it's your nation then why don't you live there?

Because they wouldn't let you own a gun? ;)
 
Rachen is amusing.

He supports a brutal, murderous dictatorial regime and yet his signature says "Sic Semper Tyrannis"...

O...k....

Edit:

Although it may not be a contradiction. I suppose it just matters what he wants for tyrants. I guess it doesn't necessarily refer to Brutus.
 
Ah, yes, the cry of every Communist sympathizer. "Well, I didn't really like those other murderous hammer-and-sickle-waving bastards, just the ones that slaughtered the people I, personally, don't like."

He supports a brutal, murderous dictatorial regime and yet his signature says "Sic Semper Tyrannis"...

Irony - Humor = Double Think
 
Sorry for the thread drift but..................



I got $5.00 towards his ticket HOME....
 
He supports a brutal, murderous dictatorial regime

I absolutely love, and is deeply saddened, by how someone who has never been to China, comment on the government, thinking he knows more about China than someone who has lived there for so long.

I can't believe there is still so much ignorance and xenophobia. I am proud of my membership in the Sino American Friendship Association, opening up the eyes of millions of people worldwide to the culture and mystique that is sacred China. There may be people who are so stubborn they refuse to learn new facts, but I teach only the people who is willing to learn.
 
Back to the point of the thread.

In the case of those protestors, I am of the opinion that choosing to be unarmed and stand down a tank was an impressive protest and perhaps the most effective.

However, I don't believe I will be making any such protest, unarmed, in the face of overwhelming odds.

Edit: I would hope that I would love my countrymen enough to voluntarily lay down my life in hopes of a better life for them.

I more subscribe to the Patton view (censored somewhat in deference to Art's Grammaw):

The trick is not to die for your country, but to make the other guy die for his!
 
Rachen, in the idea of fostering openness and learning more about China, perhaps you can educate us.

If you don't mind, please answer the following questions:

Are Chinese citizens allowed to openly criticize the government?

Are they allowed to worship God(s) in whatever way they wish?

Are they allowed to possess and own firearms?

Do the police have to get a warrant before searching a Chinese citizen's home or vehicle?

Are they guaranteed legal representation in court?
 
I lived in China for 2 years, and studied there for several months (in fact, during the Tiananmen Square massacre). My parents have lived and worked in China on two separate occasions, for a total of almost 4 years, and I've been to visit several times. I think I can say that the Chinese government is brutal and murderous. Just because they accomplished something more than the Nationalists before them does not mean they are good, by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Thank you for actually asking questions instead of giving the usual flames.

Are Chinese citizens allowed to openly criticize the government?

The answer is YES. For example, in China today, there are many government hospitals who have taken up the practice of charging for a fee BEFORE they see the patient, even if the patient is in need of critical medical care. Due to the responses and letters of overwhelming amounts of citizen's complaints, the government has launched massive reforms, eliminating the capitalist element in hospitals and other public agencies. And also, in many parts of China, citizens regularily bring up complaints about corrupt government officials. The CCP takes these matters seriously, and immediately investigates the complaint, usually resulting in the punishment of such official accused of even the slightest bit of wrongdoing. Also, the CCP's division of internal affairs are in charge of official complaints against a party policies, and they take absolutely serious attitudes towards investigating these complaints, and make sure that reforms are amended to meet the needs of the people. The CCP places the people's needs ahead of their own.

Are they allowed to worship God(s) in whatever way they wish?
You would be surprised at how many different religions exist in China today. Just excluding the religions of the foreign citizens, we have 56 different ethnic minorities, each with their own unique religion. Freedom of religion and speech is granted in Article 3 of the Chinese Constitution.

Are they allowed to possess and own firearms?
If you have a clear reason for doing so, you are granted a permit. Simple as that. Citizens living in the western provinces especially need these permits because of threats from separatist extremists, and general banditry. However, if you live in big cities, you are discouraged from doing so, for safety purposes.

Do the police have to get a warrant before searching a Chinese citizen's home or vehicle?
The police, no matter what province or town or village, must obtain a warrant from a local judge, who has to obtain the warrant from the provincial judge, who in turn have to report the situation to the government headquarters in Beijing and request an approval for such warrant. Every law enforcement agency throughout the land is connected to the central command, and unreasonable search and seizure is ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED. And the police forces in all provinces do not carry firearms, unless they are actually scheduled to make an arrest of a well-investigated criminal. The job of the police force is not only public safety, but public works as well. So it won't be surprising at all to see the police in charge of bridge, dam, or railway construction in mnay places. The police captains are elected directly from the people by the people. Regarding elections, provincial leaders are also elected directly by the people, who then elect the president and cabinet members. This method of election is to keep tradition with the constitutional republic Dr. Sun Zhongsang, the national hero, who in 1911, overthrew the corrupt Qing Dynasty and established a republic whose policies embrace the same ones of Washington and Jefferson. In fact, the American revolution, and how the American people defeated the British oppressors, is a lesson taught in all public schools, insisted by Dr. Sun Zhongsang as early as 1915, and is a requirement for all those interested in becoming a politician.
And also, only in China could you get into a verbal argument with police officers without the fear of being brutalized in any way.(Thats from personal tesitment from family members living there currently)

Are they guaranteed legal representation in court?

Article 10 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, drafted in 1950 by the Chief Commissioner of Internal Affairs, Premier Zhou Enlai, lists the exact same requirement that NOBODY is to face unnecessary punishment, imprisonment, ostracism, or any other penal process unless there is direct evidence of a crime.
 
I absolutely love, and is deeply saddened, by how someone who now enjoys the freedoms of America, praises a brutal government that does not afford it's citizens half of those freedoms thinking he knows more about Freedom than someone who has lived here for so long.

I'm also deeply saddened that my country allows people from an enemy country to reside here and learn from us since we will be at war with you eventually.

Between this guy and the illegal alien problem I really wish we'd just go on national lock down.

To be clear I'm sure China has many beautiful people and many beautiful things. It's just the your masters are neither.
 
I'm also deeply saddened that my country allows people from an enemy country to reside here and learn from us since we will be at war with you in time.

LOL it's so easy to sit behind our computers and cry for war and bloodshed without having to be responsible for the dire consequences of a real war, isn't it?

Let me tell you one thing though: Any war that results between China and any other nation will be the result of the aggression of the second party. In it's 5,000 year history, China has never waged war against anybody else. All of the wars we fought were to defend our beloved country, and I pity the foreign invader on our soil. Just ask Japanese Unit 731 general Abuguisho. Oh, I forgot, his head is hanging off of some cliffside at some unknown Northwestern location after his entire Japanese division has been cut down and beheaded in 1938 by the Resistance.

We never bother anyone, and we won't forgive anyone who bothers us either.

It seems people nowadays have so much personal luxuries, and spare time to pursue worthless things such as video games and vacation cruises, it's so easy to forget the sufferings of our forefathers and our past. Maybe what President Jiang Zenmin said is very true: "Poverty is not always bad".

Only hard labor will make us grow into true men who opens his eyes wide to the wonder of this world.
 
Perhaps that's why the History Channel did not mention that student. Can't offend the Chinese, after all.

I don't know where you got your little blurb from the History Channel, but their "This Day in History" page for today has the picture of the student in front of the tank as the link for the video as well as showing it in the video itself on this page. It doesn't seem like they were hiding anything.
 
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