Chinese Troops Shoot Four Unarmed Protestors

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You know, I don't even feel like replying to this anymore. Feel free to bash whatever country you like. I give up trying to educate westerners about the true China.

HOWEVER, I would like to add that I wished the Chinese government could have gotten much, much tougher on those traitors. Whenever the CCP becomes a little soft, the reactionary elements try to take advantage of it. Just like Tiananmen. Right after Comrade Deng Xiaoping announced the implications of it's democratic and economic freedoms, the reactionaries rioted, thinking the CCP is getting soft. Well, hehe, they learned the hard way.
Now that the Olympics are coming up, and our nation is trying so hard to make our image known in the world, these traitors decide to come up like zombies and cause trouble.

AMERICANS: I would like to ask you one question. How would you feel about anyone who betrayed your country and sold it out to evil-doers? Well, thats how we feel exactly, too. Whether we are American or Chinese, or anyone else, we don't like anybody trying to sell out our countries. Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us.
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Sic Semper Tyrannis

Well if the true China is what we're not supposed to be seeing in the media now, and it's the one that suppressed Tianamen then I don't really see much need to understand all the nuances of its wonderful culture. I'll keep on believing there is a China with an admirable culture that exists despite its despicable government. So we've got Tibetan separtists who don't want to be part of a national government literally FORCED upon them from afar. A government in which they are marginally represented if at all. This is why I have guns, so I don't end up in the news one day as an unarmed protester. How someone can have Sic Semper Tyrannis as a sig and then say "Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us." :scrutiny:

400 years ago no western people had any idea of freedom or self determination. Slowly the world catches on. I really don't buy the whole eastern/western value life differently thing. We, of european stock, were there once where our peasant lives were worthless. We revolted. With guns.
 
Remember the world bank Protestors In Wa, a few years back -Id like to see the troops shoot a bunch of those little Ba$$$$$$-ds and drive tanks over them !!!!!!!
How about the BLACK riots And the looters after every natural disaster !
So a Bunch Of rioters went beserk In town and the goverment Wacked there a$$eS.Good for them !
Your Moaning about china is Transparent --You Dont want china controlling riots and Yet You ComPlain You cant have a gun when you need one to shoot looters and rioters Attacking your business and homes !!
Carry On keyboard Comandos
 
I guess if the US were to try to militarily subjugate Mexico or Canada while refusing to acknowledge their sovereignty I could see some hypocrisy. However, I don't see how you can equate supression of activity (some of it quite criminal in nature) of groups of individuals with the subjugation of a nation.
 
How someone can have Sic Semper Tyrannis as a sig and then say "Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us."

Huge +1.

Human rights are non-negotiable. People possess intrinsic moral value; political organizations do not.
 
You know, I don't even feel like replying to this anymore. Feel free to bash whatever country you like. I give up trying to educate westerners about the true China.

HOWEVER, I would like to add that I wished the Chinese government could have gotten much, much tougher on those traitors. Whenever the CCP becomes a little soft, the reactionary elements try to take advantage of it. Just like Tiananmen. Right after Comrade Deng Xiaoping announced the implications of it's democratic and economic freedoms, the reactionaries rioted, thinking the CCP is getting soft. Well, hehe, they learned the hard way.
Now that the Olympics are coming up, and our nation is trying so hard to make our image known in the world, these traitors decide to come up like zombies and cause trouble.

AMERICANS: I would like to ask you one question. How would you feel about anyone who betrayed your country and sold it out to evil-doers? Well, thats how we feel exactly, too. Whether we are American or Chinese, or anyone else, we don't like anybody trying to sell out our countries. Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us.
How are these people traitors? I thought this was Tibet, not China.

We also have this wonderful thing called free speech. It means that anti-govt types can say anything they want.

Sheesh, everyone that accuses Bush of being a dictator should read this.
 
Remember the world bank Protestors In Wa, a few years back -Id like to see the troops shoot a bunch of those little Ba$$$$$$-ds and drive tanks over them !!!!!!!
How about the BLACK riots And the looters after every natural disaster !
So a Bunch Of rioters went beserk In town and the goverment Wacked there a$$eS.Good for them !
Your Moaning about china is Transparent --You Dont want china controlling riots and Yet You ComPlain You cant have a gun when you need one to shoot looters and rioters Attacking your business and homes !!
Carry On keyboard Comandos
Who is the commando here?

There is a big difference between protesting, rioting, and looting. Looting really doesn't even fit with the other two. Rioting is a long way off from protesting. Regardless, I don't think it is a good idea for your military to run roughshod over the citizens. That happened in your state once. We revolted from British rule with that being one of the reasons.
 
We had our chance to nuke China and get away with it.
Within an hour of receiving word that the Chinese had crossed the 38th parallel, in 1950, Truman should have had planes in the air.

Now we pay for his shortsighted folly.

I don't think killing hundreds of millions of people who otherwise wished us no harm would have been the right way to go. Nuclear Weapons are a very poor choice in any war as they are very indiscriminate and kill every man woman and child.

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Feel free to bash whatever country you like. I give up trying to educate westerners about the true China.

Just like Tiananmen. Right after Comrade Deng Xiaoping announced the implications of it's democratic and economic freedoms, the reactionaries rioted, thinking the CCP is getting soft. Well, hehe, they learned the hard way.

Of course giggling about running unarmed college students over with tanks is not very high road and probably not the right way to go either. Rachen by his posts is showing us exactly what he wanted to, the true face of China.

When he finds government sanctioned murder funny and justified he shows us the future of what a socialist dictatorship look like from a close supporter. Of course if you are underneath the tank treads it is not nearly so funny.

AMERICANS: I would like to ask you one question. How would you feel about anyone who betrayed your country and sold it out to evil-doers? Well, thats how we feel exactly, too. Whether we are American or Chinese, or anyone else, we don't like anybody trying to sell out our countries. Therefore, we have the rights to crack down on ANY reactionary riot, using whatever force that pleases us.

Based upon your moral background I am unsure what your definition of "evil" is. If your defintion of evil is disloyalty to the state mantra and trying to bring about positive change in a peaceful non-violent way then I would support that, even at cost to myself. Am I now evil? Should I be shot out of hand or run over with a tank? If so then we must disagree.
 
I don't get why Tibetans owe any loyalty to the Chinese. Tibetans are not Chinese and have never been Chinese. The closest you can get to saying Tibet is part of China is the ancient period when the Tibetan kings paid tribute to the Chinese as an alternative to fighting them constantly. When the chinese could no longer threaten them, they stopped the payments. But at no point did the Tibetans adopt chinese customs, language or laws. They remained distinctly Tibetan until the mid 20th century.

I predict that Tibet is eventually going to become independent for the same reason that Iraq will eventually go independent of the US- Tibetans are no more Chinese than Iraqis are Americans- and the Chinese have no more right or ability to competently rule them than we have to rule the Iraqis.
 
I predict that Tibet is eventually going to become independent for the same reason that Iraq will eventually go independent of the US- Tibetans are no more Chinese than Iraqis are Americans- and the Chinese have no more right or ability to competently rule them than we have to rule the Iraqis.

I certainly agree on Iraq. But on Tibet I think you underestimate the Chineese willingness to kill everyone in Tibet for their "disloyalty".
 
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Remember the world bank Protestors In Wa, a few years back -Id like to see the troops shoot a bunch of those little Ba$$$$$$-ds and drive tanks over them !!!!!!!
How about the BLACK riots And the looters after every natural disaster !>>

I remember the LA Riots...They were all over the streets, looting, burning, and such...fire engines would drive into the area and get shot up. Cops, Sheriff's deputies...they wouldn't go in there.

Our government's attitude towards the riots and uprisings is to let them riot. We don't give a sh*t. It's not like they are really gonna cause some problems. It'll just make for good headlines and ratings as Mr. Joe Average will tune into Channel 7 news to watch and talk about it on Monday.

But look at China.

There are about 1.3 Billion population, out of that, there are about 43 million in the economic zones that have access to capital and can become the middle class...16 million in Shianghai, 18 million in Beijing, and maybe 9 million in Shenzen. That leaves 1.2+ BILLION population out there. Beijing's problems is that if they allow this Tibet Protest to continue, how do they control 1.2+ billion poor, very starved uneducated farmers?

They must deal a hard hand to the protestors. That is the only way they can maintain order. Now if there is a majority of middle class in the country, as opposed to the majority who are poor...then they don't really have to care.
 
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Remember the world bank Protestors In Wa, a few years back -Id like to see the troops shoot a bunch of those little Ba$$$$$$-ds and drive tanks over them !!!!!!!
<<How about the BLACK riots And the looters after every natural disaster !
So a Bunch Of rioters went beserk In town and the goverment Wacked there a$$eS.Good for them !
Your Moaning about china is Transparent --You Dont want china controlling riots and Yet You ComPlain You cant have a gun when you need one to shoot looters and rioters Attacking your business and homes !!>>

By the way, the LA riots were the Korean Grocers versus the Black looters rioters (Korea is not China. It's a whole different country), just a minor clarification.
 
Currently I`m in Mainland China. I don`t get any infomation about killing in Tibet. All Medias like television are censored by the communist and government critical internet URL will be censored too. But chinese people resigned with it. They are happy about the economical growth and just shut the mouth.....

Most Chinese think different because chinese children was educated that Tibet was and is a part of China and no other opinion will be allowed. So people think what the army do in Tibet are just defend national territory of China.

It`s easy to seat in front of a computer in the "relatively democratic and safe" USA and critics China which was a "real communistic" 30 years ago. The problem is much more complex. Taiwan is a key word.....

But I`m glad that I`m only for few week here and don`t live here . I love chinese people but I hate the communistic political system here.
 
Just a little update to your glorious future in a gun free culture.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/chinese-media-crush-tibet-protests/n20080322054109990014

Chinese Media: 'Crush' Tibet Protests
By JOE McDONALD,Associated Press
Posted: 2008-03-22 05:41:51
BEIJING (AP) - The flagship newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party called Saturday for efforts to "resolutely crush" anti-government demonstrations by Tibetans, while Beijing urged people to turn in those on a "Most Wanted" list of 21 protesters.

As Chinese troops smothered Tibetan-heavy areas to avert additional unrest, U.S. presidential hopeful John McCain, a Republican, and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, joined a growing international chorus of criticism against the crackdown.

The protests, which started in Lhasa on the March 10 anniversary of a failed uprising against Chinese rule, turned violent four days later and touched off demonstrations among Tibetans in three other provinces.

The movement has become the largest challenge to China's control of Tibet since the 1959 uprising. It also has threatened Beijing's attempts to project an image of unity and prosperity ahead of the Aug. 8-24 Olympics.

Beijing's official death toll from last week's rioting in the Tibetan capital of Lhasa rose to 22, with the Xinhua News Agency reporting that five more civilians and a police officer died. The Tibetan government-in-exile has said 99 Tibetans have been killed - 80 in Lhasa and 19 in Gansu province.

Beijing has portrayed the protests as having been instigated by supporters of the exiled Tibetan leader, the Dalai Lama.

"We must see through the secessionist forces' evil intentions, uphold the banner of maintaining social stability ... and resolutely crush the 'Tibet independence' forces' conspiracy," the People's Daily said in an editorial.

In Lhasa, shops reopened but the police presence was heavy, said residents reached by phone. The Potala Palace, the traditional seat of Tibetan rulers, and the Jokang Temple, a popular site for tourists and Buddhist pilgrims, were still closed.

"There are People's Armed Police patrolling the streets around the clock," said an employee of the Shambala Hotel, who refused to give her name due to fear of reprisal.

During a visit to Paris on Friday, McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said China's crackdown "is not correct" and expressed hope Beijing would seek a peaceful resolution.

"The people there are being subjected to mistreatment that is not acceptable with the conduct of a world power, which China is," McCain said in response to a question by a Chinese reporter.

"There must be respect for human rights, and I would hope that the Chinese are actively seeking a peaceful resolution to this situation that exists which harms not only the human rights of the people there but also the image of China in the world," he said.

The White House said Thursday the crackdown is not cause for President Bush to cancel his attendance at the Olympics. But it requested access to the region to see how Chinese police were dealing with detained protesters.

On Friday, Pelosi lent her support to the Tibetan cause on a visit to the Dalai Lama at his headquarters in India, calling China's crackdown "a challenge to the conscience of the world."

Pelosi, long a fierce critic of China, called for an international investigation and dismissed Beijing's claim that the Dalai Lama was behind the fighting as making "no sense." The Dalai Lama, who received the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize, says he does not seek independence but wants genuine autonomy to protect Tibet's unique Buddhist culture.

Fighting back against the rising criticism, Beijing has begun releasing tallies of statements of support from foreign governments and trying to get its version of events before the international community.

"It is a clear proof that the international community is on the side of China", foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said, according to Xinhua, which reported that 100 governments have endorsed China's handling of the protests.

Without mentioning Pelosi by name, Qin said China opposes "any encouragement and support for the secessionist schemes of the Dalai clique."

On Friday, authorities intensified a manhunt for people accused of violence, posting their photos - taken from video cameras and security footage - on major Internet portals.

The 21 people are accused of endangering national security, and cited for beating, smashing, looting and arson. One suspect was shown wielding a long sword and another was a mustached man who had been shown on news programs slashing another with a foot-long blade.

Xinhua said two of the 21 suspects were arrested and a third turned himself in. Authorities offered rewards for information and promised anonymity to tipsters.

Police have arrested 24 people and another 183 turned themselves in, Xinhua said.

Outside of Lhasa, Beijing has deployed troops across a wide swath of western China where more than half of China's 5.4 million Tibetans live. Moving from town to town, police set up blockades and checkpoints to keep Tibetans in and journalists out.

The mobilization was helping authorities reassert control after demonstrations flared in Sichuan, Qinghai and Gansu provinces, inspired by monks in Lhasa last week.

State television, in its first footage of the confrontation between protesters and police last Sunday in the Tibetan town of Aba, showed dozens of crimson-robed monks charging at a line of police standing behind plastic riot shields. Crowds of ordinary people hurled rocks and one threw a molotov cocktail as cars burned in the town ringed by snow-peaked mountains.

Xinhua said earlier that police opened fire on the crowd, wounding four and that protesters tried to break into the police armory to steal weapons. Tibet support groups say police killed at least eight and posted photos of bloody corpses on the Internet.

Still no mention of guns, other weapons and attempts to get other weapons yes, but no guns. Opening fire into a crowd sure does not sound like the protestors were armed.

I am curious which countries are sending "statements of support" might make a good case to never go there as well.

China is vastly different from the US in just about every way, but people everywhere still wish for freedom of religion (or freedom from religion) in their own way. Such things cross all cultural barriers.
 
set off a string of firecrackers,wave some silk in the air and proclaim it culture.

if we had nuked china,they probably would have thought crossing the yalu was not the "right way to go".
 
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