Sound off if you carry a Glock
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valorius
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I had a friend that used to carry a glock, until his dog nad an ND with it. (no kidding- true story). The dog was frolicking and stepped on the triggerguard when it was laying on the coffee table. Apparently the dog's nail got inside the guard and boom!
That was one surprised dog owner, fortunately neither of them got hit. The dog stayed, the Glock was gone the next day.
That was one surprised dog owner, fortunately neither of them got hit. The dog stayed, the Glock was gone the next day.
That's because a Glock has no safety. Why in God's name you would lay a loaded firearm with no safety, unholstered on a coffee table is beyond my capacity to understand. Negligent discharge indeed. That no-one was hurt is a very, very fortunate thing.
valorius
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Well bachelors who live alone have an expectation that their pistol won't be discharged by their dog, i guess.
Most pistols ever designed could never be fired in that scenario.
Then there's Glocks...pistols so simple to fire that a dog can have an ND with one.
PS: If your pistol is so easy to fire that it must be at all times kept in a secure holster, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the simplicity of having no safety? I can lay my pistol on the ground, and even a pack of 1000 dogs couldn't get it to go bang, not even if they had 1000 years to try.
In any case, true story.
Most pistols ever designed could never be fired in that scenario.
Then there's Glocks...pistols so simple to fire that a dog can have an ND with one.
PS: If your pistol is so easy to fire that it must be at all times kept in a secure holster, doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of the simplicity of having no safety? I can lay my pistol on the ground, and even a pack of 1000 dogs couldn't get it to go bang, not even if they had 1000 years to try.
In any case, true story.
REAPER4206969
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Cool story.
valorius
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A gun that your dog cannot shoot when he gets excited to see you?
I'm just sayin'....
Purgatory
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Valorious, I have to say, if a dog, any dog, could get my glock to fire like that, I would be more than astonished and dumbfounded. -And deaf.
Unless he had modified the trigger to lighten it up immensely, I cannot see how that'd be possible.
Not at all saying it didn't happen, I just don't see how.
I have tried and tried every way I could think of (with gun unloaded of course) to activate the trigger on my glocks JUST so that I would know the limits of the firearm I carry.
I even used to carry with a clip-draw and wanted to know EXACTLY what the real possibilities were. Tried hard as I could to operate the trigger through my pants and many other techniques. Only reason I stopped carrying that way was due to my night sights front sight catching on pants upon drawing the pistol. They were lower height sights and still had enough edge to catch a little from time to time. Just enough to be a distraction or slow you down a hair.
I've tried to hang trigger with shirt tails, strings, all kinds of unassuming things and not only is it very difficult to get the right angle to release the tiny safety on the trigger, but even if you accomplish that, you have to pull STRAIGHT back and the gun HAS to be supported enough to resist moving in that direction.
MOST AD's are from finger unconsciously BEING on the trigger in perfect position and either pulling it without realizing or thinking about it, or finger on trigger being pushed into trigger while holstering.
I'm sorry, I give you full benefit of the doubt, but I just can't figure out how that could happen.
And on top of ALL that, I can't imagine laying my loaded and ready to fire gun on a coffee table exposed to God and all creation. Even if it DID have a manual safety.
Unless he had modified the trigger to lighten it up immensely, I cannot see how that'd be possible.
Not at all saying it didn't happen, I just don't see how.
I have tried and tried every way I could think of (with gun unloaded of course) to activate the trigger on my glocks JUST so that I would know the limits of the firearm I carry.
I even used to carry with a clip-draw and wanted to know EXACTLY what the real possibilities were. Tried hard as I could to operate the trigger through my pants and many other techniques. Only reason I stopped carrying that way was due to my night sights front sight catching on pants upon drawing the pistol. They were lower height sights and still had enough edge to catch a little from time to time. Just enough to be a distraction or slow you down a hair.
I've tried to hang trigger with shirt tails, strings, all kinds of unassuming things and not only is it very difficult to get the right angle to release the tiny safety on the trigger, but even if you accomplish that, you have to pull STRAIGHT back and the gun HAS to be supported enough to resist moving in that direction.
MOST AD's are from finger unconsciously BEING on the trigger in perfect position and either pulling it without realizing or thinking about it, or finger on trigger being pushed into trigger while holstering.
I'm sorry, I give you full benefit of the doubt, but I just can't figure out how that could happen.
And on top of ALL that, I can't imagine laying my loaded and ready to fire gun on a coffee table exposed to God and all creation. Even if it DID have a manual safety.
george d dennis
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glock 23 in a shoulder holster in the winter and a glock 36 in a hip holster in the
summer.
summer.
Purgatory
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Druryj, just try a 36 out before you buy it, so you'll know what to expect.
I love mine.
Actually had it before my 19. They are very close in dimensions and fit most same holsters.
I can carry either in summer clothes, really, but 36 is slightly easier to conceal.
But, then, the 36 is easier to conceal than most others.
I find it to be the perfect ccw, all things considered.
-And comfort is not even an issue. Usually don't even notice it anymore, but it's there, come what may.
I love mine.
Actually had it before my 19. They are very close in dimensions and fit most same holsters.
I can carry either in summer clothes, really, but 36 is slightly easier to conceal.
But, then, the 36 is easier to conceal than most others.
I find it to be the perfect ccw, all things considered.
-And comfort is not even an issue. Usually don't even notice it anymore, but it's there, come what may.
valorius
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Purgatory: Plaxico Burress did not seem to have any problem getting the trigger of his Glock to operate through his pants. (I am not defending him)
I think the trigger in the dog story was whatever is stock on a 2nd gen Glock 17, not the 8lb NY variety.
I think the trigger in the dog story was whatever is stock on a 2nd gen Glock 17, not the 8lb NY variety.
I usually carry a G19, and I think it is great, also have a G22, O.K. for winter under a jacket or woods roaming, little big for effective concealment in summer clothing. The dog thing. Look, if you are carrying your glock in any way that does not involve a holster you are asking for trouble. Glocks have a safety, it is on the trigger. Keep your finger off of it until you intend to fire, and safeguard against other things getting inside the trigger guard. Pretty simple. Some people just will not strive to achieve a level of training with whatever platform they may choose. I am currently trying to master the 1911. I am experienced with guns but would not dream of carrying a cocked and locked 1911 at this stage in my learning curve with this gun. If you want to stick a Glock in your pocket, use a pocket holster. Down your pants? Use a IWB holster. No other items in the pocket with the gun, this is never a good idea, no matter what you carry. Finally, dont leave your glock exposed to dogs, children, women, men, robots, or anthing else that could potentially cause it to go off.
.Either way, loaded guns, particularly Glocks make me nervous. Some people might think that's odd being how much I love firearms and carry one on a daily basis. Personally, I see that nervousness as being good for the sake of precaution. That said, with my first Glock (34), it took a while before I could carry with a round in the chamber. I'm more than aware you have to pull the trigger to make it fire, but it was still unsettling to me. Nowadays, it doesn't bother me, but I don't like to leave loaded firearms laying around unless they have a really heavy DA first shot (my '95 Nagant desk gun, for example). Glocks, for what they are, suit me very well. That's the beauty of todays gun market, if something doesn't fit you, find something that does, there's certainly no shortage of choices these days (though there is a sad shortage of steel framed, wood stocked autos).
'Bout a year ago...guys at the gun shop/on the Lifesaving Crew said:
1. It was a Glock
2. Guys at the store had warned him 'bout Mexican carrying a Glock!
3. Story says 3 patrons hurt-mebbe that was 3 treated-I heard 6 folks were hit by shrapnel.
4. He was Mexican carrying, got up from the table and reached down to cinch up his pants, and...
valorius
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A man after my own heart. This is my carry pistol...
I can carry that pistol in any way i want with virtually zero chance of any kind of a snag related or holstering related UD. It is still possible to ND a P7, you can ND anything, but the chances of any sort of discharge not involving your finger intentionally squeezing the trigger or your basic safety rules completely breaking down are virtually nil.
To me, the P7 is a better (safer) kind of mousetrap.
That sir, is a finely crafted piece of machinery. I carry the Glock because I'm too skinny for anything larger, and too broke to buy an expensive holster and belt that will support anything heavier. Were I financially able, an SVI TiKi would be the order of the day. My first love is my 1911. I appreciate the function and virtues that the Glock offers, but I have no love for it (especially not the ridiculous hype).
Purgatory
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Don't forget about revolvers, though. No safety and must be kept in good, trigger covering, holster when loaded. No one complains about them being scary.
I guess I'll just have to keep carrying the scary Glock, then. As the old Texas Ranger said, "If it wasn't dangerous, I wouldn't carry the dang thing!" Paraphrasing and he was talking about a 1911, yes, I know, but...same principle.
OH and nice P7 by the way.
valorius
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Thanks!Setzer77 said:
Purgatory: A revolver has a long and relatively heavy pull. No one complains about DA/DAO autos being scary either for that reason. You sure as heck wouldn't carry a cocked revolver in your pocket though, i'm betting.
On the other hand, i do carry my P7 in my back pocket sometimes with a rd chambered- even with it's exquisite hair trigger, or jammed into my belt behind my hip sometimes if i'm just running out front real quick (i live in a really bad area). The P7's squeezecocker manual safety is a wonderful thing.
If Glocks had DAO triggers, they would be totally unremarkable in today's service pistol market, and they would have vastly fewer detractors. I am a former Glock owner (G19, never had any sort of ND with it), so it's not like i'm a hater, Glocks are just a very unforgiving design if something goes wrong.
Thanks for the P7 compliment!
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ROGER4314
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Concealed carry with a Glock 21? That is a big pistol! I can't imagine carrying a load like that!
I shoot a Glock 21 and a 36. The 36 is much more appropriate for CC. I grew up shooting 1911's so I'm used to large frame pistols but the Glock M21 is a real big one.
For CC, I carry a Ruger LCP but I carry it at all times. I usually pocket carry but during the summer when it gets beastly hot and sweaty in Houston, I use a fanny pack and carry a Glock 26 or a S&W revolver. The M26 is the same pistol my lady carries in a fanny pack. It's just the right size!
Remember, when you carry, that firearm is with you every minute of the day. Picture carrying a brick on your waist and that's about the right load. The 1911 pistol weighs about 39 ounces. That is a load and I promise, you'll find times that you would rather leave the pistol at home! That is dangerous and I say "Carry small but carry always."
Just my 2 cents.
Flash
I shoot a Glock 21 and a 36. The 36 is much more appropriate for CC. I grew up shooting 1911's so I'm used to large frame pistols but the Glock M21 is a real big one.
For CC, I carry a Ruger LCP but I carry it at all times. I usually pocket carry but during the summer when it gets beastly hot and sweaty in Houston, I use a fanny pack and carry a Glock 26 or a S&W revolver. The M26 is the same pistol my lady carries in a fanny pack. It's just the right size!
Remember, when you carry, that firearm is with you every minute of the day. Picture carrying a brick on your waist and that's about the right load. The 1911 pistol weighs about 39 ounces. That is a load and I promise, you'll find times that you would rather leave the pistol at home! That is dangerous and I say "Carry small but carry always."
Just my 2 cents.
Flash
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Very unforgiving if something goes RIGHT as well, hopefully.
What gets me is that the M&P, XD, and other striker fired autos have virtually identical triggers, but nobody gripes about NDs with those. I think half the problem is Glock fanboys have ruined the pistol for so many that people just look for a reason to hate. I work around the "issue" of the lack of safety by keeping a loaded chamber ONLY when the pistol is either holstered, being holstered, or being removed from the holster to be cleared. when I sleep with it under my pillow, the chamber is empty. Last I checked, I don't have any extra holes in me. Glocks have always fit my hand well, the grip angle has agreed with me, and I've always shot well with them. I can't say the same for the M&P, in any backstrap configuration. As much as I wish I could do so with other firearms, the Glock is the one pistol I can load up, fire, and hit my target consistently without much practice. That is one of the major (likely most important) considerations that make it my choice of carry weapons.
valorius
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LOL, that's for sure.
I prefer designs that feature a protruding striker/external hammer, a DA mechanism (or at least a longer trigger pull), or a manual safety.Setzer said:
I want as many of those features as possible on my pistol, all other things being equal. Just my opinion.
Bonus P7 pic:
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Bulldawg55
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I carry my G33 LOADED, IWB (4 o'clock and appendix) with a belt clip!
My two bestest buddies insisted I add the Cominolli safety.
My two bestest buddies insisted I add the Cominolli safety.
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