Spanking can disarm you

[lawson4]

Proposed "No Spanking" law could disarm you for life.
California state lawsmaker proposes to make spanking a child 3 yrs old or younger a misdemeaner. She was on the "Today" just a few moments ago. She stated that in California, a misdemeaner can get you a possible 1 year in jail.
If enfored, many parents will become gunless for raising thier child the way we were. (I think most of us here turned out alright)
Im' sur better writers will expand on this topic.

lawson4

 

[xd9fan]

I'd like to give most Govt workers a crack across the a$$......

 

[model 649]

"It's for the children"............Aren't there abuse laws on the books already? When do the cameras get installed in our homes?
Josh

 

[SoCalShooter]

Aren't there abuse laws on the books already?

There is but they want to make the laws as confusing as possible.

 

[pax]

Three, huh?

By the time a kid is three, there are other disciplinary actions which may be nearly as effective as a swat on the rear.

But IME, children between the ages of 18 mos & 3 years old are the ones who most need to be swatted, for safety reasons.

Years ago, out for a walk with my firstborn who was a little over a year old. He bolted for the street. I said, "STOP, Benjamin!" He glanced over his shoulder and kept going -- there was absolutely no doubt he heard & understood what I said. So just as he set foot into the street, I scooped him up and swatted his behind.

He had thrown his arms around my neck and we were in the calm-the-kid-down phase when a woman came storming out of her house to scream at me. Kid was too young to be spanked, he obviously didn't understand, etc etc. No exaggeration here: she was so angry she had spittle spraying out as she literally screamed at me.

Finally, I looked at her and said, "Lady, he's too young to understand that he might get hit by a car if he runs into the street. But he is old enough to understand that he will get spanked for doing it." And I carried the kid away -- and then I walked some two miles out of the way to avoid going past her house again as I did not want her to know where we lived.

Humans are hard-wired to avoid doing things that cause pain. It doesn't seem wise to me to rewrite all the laws to prevent parents from making good & righteous use of this basic hardwiring.

Oh, the standard disclaimer: I'm not talking about "whipping" your kids, or child abuse, or any other type of nasty and evil behavior. I am talking about the simple use of an open hand on the well-padded behind of a young child who knows he is loved, which is given to reinforce safety lessons especially.

pax

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

no spanking?!

it would tickle me to death not to spank my kid. so far 3 total spankings in 5 years 2 from me 1 from mom. but i'll be darned if she'll ever think i won't if she has it coming.
the best example of the no hitting school of child rearing is a whopper. he lived down the street from my kid sis. his folks were child rearing professionals. one was a vice principal in a middle school. the other a child shrink. i used to watch em chase their lil heaten around the yard "reasoning with him". as he did as he darn well pleased. the end results wewere pretty spectacular. hes the lil darlin that killed the 6 or 7 year old neighbor girl and stuffed the girls body under his water bed when he was 12. his dad was a consistent b ufffoon he was on tv blaming the lil girl. it was her fault for hanging around their house. i'd love to smack him but he improved the gene pool by getting in a traffic accident.

 

[ScottsGT]

Personally, I think everyone in her district with children under three should drop them off at her house for the week so she can raise them for a few days.

 

[Speer]

What's next? No scolding cuz it might hurt their self-esteem? How about divorce? That can really screw a kid up.

Adults could face up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.

Makes me wonder if this is less about the child than it is handing the state more power to raise the child as it sees fit. Scary times.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Speer

No need to wonder.

That's exactly what it is.

And it's not an accident.

 

[Prince Yamato]

My brother-in-law was of the no-spanking school. He and my sister had two kids and he was utterly opposed to spanking them. While the kids were generally good, every now and then, they'd throw a massive tantrum and would refuse to deal with an adult (surprise, they were... 2 and 3). Time outs wouldn't work, because the kids would refuse to sit still. One day, they both threw the tantrum of all tantrums in a crowded hotel lobby. I wasn't in there to see it, but my room was off the atrium, door closed and I heard the unmistakable yelling and screaming of my little niece and nephew. I then heard the sound of them being moved from the atrium. Brother-in-law took them back the hotel room to spank them. Aparently, he had had enough. Needless to say, they never threw an tantrum in public again.

Spanking works.

 

[gc70]

This is another example of a probably well-intentioned legislator, because she has "personal experience" with the issue, wanting to impose her views on the rest of society. Too many folks can't get over the idea that they know what's best for other people.

 

[yardism]

She stated that she wasn't spanked as a child and she has no children. Probably the last person that even needs to be involved in the debate, much less creating laws on the subject.

 

[Warren]

The collectivists want to own your kids.

This is another step in that direction.

 

[carlrodd]

i would assume she would be one to froth at the mouth at the notion of the state dictating what sexual behavior you engage in behind closed doors, and how you deal with whatever consequences might result, yet she is convinced she needs to tell you how to raise your kids. the hypocrisy is obscene. i have a few ideas for laws in regard to what she needs to do with her proposed legislation.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Just from personal experience growing up, my friends who were spanked minded and respected their parents because they knew there were repurcussions for not doing so. The ones who were not spanked tended to be out of control monsters who didn't mind their parents and were very disrespectful to all adults.
You can't reason with a child. Their mind is not developed enough for it. You CAN however associate pain or discomfort with unacceptable behavior and they quickly learn the boundary lines.

 

[Evil Monkey]

You think it's going to pass and become law? I don't think it will be, but it is California.....

 

[cbsbyte]

When I heard about this new law, I thought it was a bad joke. Now I understand why people might want to make such a law, since some parents do severely slap and beat their childern in public. I have witness parents beating their children in public. The problem with this law is that even a light spank on the behind is considered attacking a child. It just goes to far. In the end it will not help the situation. Though if a child is being beaten in public by a parent the Police should be able to step in and arrest the parent.

 

[highlander 5]

I've no children but I did baby sit my nieces on a regular basis till my younger sister bitched to my even younger sister that"I would kill the kid and have her for Breakfast" so she baby sat Jaime. Short story Jamie got hold of some potato chips and was stuffing them into the pilot light of the gas heater having a nice blaze and a grand old time,younger sister is saying" Jamie that's not nice don't do that .."so on and so on. Finally got up slapped her on the butt told her "don't do that" end of problem.
Children between 1 and 4 when "misbehaving' SOMETIMES need
a slap on the butt. There are those who say 'Reason with your child". Sorry you can't reason with a 3 year old. Pain is an immediate attention getter it says 1 I'm the boss and 2 I love you enough to inflict a small amount of pain to keep you out of danger. Please note I DO NOT condone child abuse.
Parents who do such to their children should have their parental rights revoked children removed from the home and be sterilized so they can't inflict their sadistic streak on any more children.

 

[yardism]

I do not think it has a chance. But if it does, a few thoughts come to mind.

1. How will they enforce it?
2. What about all of the false claims of upset kids?
3. 15 years from now, society will reflect it back in a BIG way.
4. What's next? Like a previous poster said, will raising your voice be too much?

This is just another CA legislator trying to make a name for herself. Some are already working on the pedestal they will place her on.

 

[Davo]

I think that out legislators need the wooden spoon, thats what my mom used and it worked.
There are already laws that outlaw the beating of children, spanking is another matter, but they want us to think its not. But hey...it works in Sweeden.

 

[yardism]

Though if a child is being beaten in public by a parent the Police should be able to step in and arrest the parent.

I agree, public or private. Only thing is, there are already laws on the books to deal with this.

One thing that stood out to me when I first read about this, in the article, everywhere you or I might say spank or discipline, she used the word "beat". I think she may have decent motives, but she is severly misguided.

 

[rangermonroe]

As a dad of four kids that are fairly well behaved, I seldom felt the need to deliver a spanking past the age of three.

They all have had their share swats of the diaper, to (exactly as pax put it) immediately drive a point home.

'Don't touch the stove, it will burn!" Little guy looks at you defiantly, and reaches for it anyways. "Stop! You will get a swat". Defiant look.

Swat. Boo hoo hoo! Big hug. Problem solved.

By age four, after several years of the above regimen, threats of punishment far outweigh the actual delivery.

I cannot imagine the hell that this misguided woman is proposing. I'm sure that she means well, but she would make a good paver for the trail to purgatory.













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[thexrayboy]

Remember the Hitlery Clinton line...It takes a village to raise a child....?

This is just a progression of that mentality, we'll be seeing more of this in the future, count on it.

 

[gyp_c2]

yup...

...yer' kidz belong to us...

 

[Geno]

swat a kid and get the S.W.A.T. called on you

When a parent observes their bull-headed 24 month child for the 3rd time trying to stick a spair of scissors or a steel pic into a 110 or a 220 electric outlet, and talking has failed because the child's brain is not yet sifficently developed to comprehend (specifically frontal lobe), does said parent fear the spanking law or teach the child a lesson in conditioned-responce? As PAX said, that is the age when child is most in need of a swat.

For my part I say, my castle, my child, my marriage, my rules--ergo my choice. Congress doesn't like my rules stay the h@ll out of my house. What's next...they going to try telling me I can't tell my child to say her prayers at bedtime???

Heck, who knows...soon, if it passes, giving the kid a swat will get the S.W.A.T. called on you.


Edited to add:

When I was a H.S. principal. the supt. told me a story. His son was being a jerk. The supt. told him he was going to spank him (10 years old). The son says, "I'll call the police!" The father hands his son the telephone and a piece of paper with a number on it. The son looked at his father and asks, "What's that?!" The father looked at him and said, "That's the ambulance number. You call them 5 minutes before you call the police, because I want them to arrive in time to save your @$$ after I beat you for calling the police on me!" The son put the telephone and the number down and complied. I'm sorry...but I's funny!

I recall may father giving me his own rendition of it when I was near 10: "You will respect that woman because she's your mother; or you'll respect her because she's my wife. But, either way, you WILL respect her! And, if you decide not to, just remember, I brought you into this world and I can take you out."

Doc2005