Sport Pistol and 9MM

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I've been playing with Sport Pistol a little bit in .40 and have been impressed, so it dawned on me that I should try it in place of N320 in my favorite 9MM plinker load. It is clean, soft, drops brass right at my feet and runs 1050ish from my 5" Colt 1911.

That load is 3.9 Grs of N320 under an X-Treme 124 Gr HP loaded to 1.060 OAL (You can substitute the Powerbond 124 Gr HP) using a WSP or Fed 100 primer. CCI 500s also did well. After Cabelas put the S&B primers on sale for $20 per 1K I tried them too, but they are a bit milder than the other primers, the brass did not come out as clean, and occasionally a case would get caught by the slide when ejecting. This did not happen with the other primers. You need 4.0 Grs of N320 with the S&B primers.

So I grabbed 20 mixed 9MM cases, primed them with S&B small pistol primers, and loaded 10 with 3.9 Grs of N320 and 10 with 3.9 Grs of Sport Pistol. The N320 is a bit bulkier and threw 3.9 Grs at 18.2 on my 10X measure vs 14.9 for 3.9 Grs of Sport Pistol.

Sport Pistol settled down and started throwing consistent charges faster than N320. It also metered a hair better. Both meter very well. (See Sport Pistol and .40 thread)

Both are stick powders, and the diameters are very similar, but the "sticks" of Sport Pistol are much shorter, more like small discs, and could easily be mistaken for flake if one did not check closely. At least that is what it appears to be.

9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 1.JPG
I did not shoot great with either one, but managed the fuzzy red dot (Astigmatism) better on the second group (Sport Pistol) and had six in one ragged hole, with one pulled and one out when the bad blew up. The two group group, with one yanked out, might be from the fuzzy dot until I got used to it. More blinking to lesson the blurr.

Either way, I would need to shoot them at 25 yards several times apiece to see a difference I could claim. Again the Sport Pistol looked real good though. I will definitely load some of these in bulk and give them a good trial.

3.9 Grs N320, S&B primer, X-Treme 124 Gr HP @ 1.060 OAL, 8 shots
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 2.JPG

3.9 Grs Sport Pistol, S&B primer, X-Treme 124 Gr HP @ 1.060 OAL, 8 shots (Bag came apart halfway through this group.)
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 3.JPG

9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 4.JPG
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 6.JPG
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 5.JPG

The Sport Pistol ran a little faster and left the brass cleaner (More like N320 does with a hotter primer) SP left the brass very clean though. Good stuff. I wonder if the milder S&B primer set the Sport Pistol off better than N320 because SP has more surface area for the weight than N320? Maybe it is simply .1 gr hotter than N320 in this one application. ? Either way, it ran a bit faster and left the brass cleaner. The recoil impulse for both was very similar.
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 7.JPG

Two days of shooting, six loads at eight shots each for 48 rounds through the backer.
9MM Range Trip Loads #110a & #119 Pic 8.JPG
 
Alliant claims "Excellent case fill" with Sport Pistol. This is something I really prefer when loading 9mm. How was the case fill at 3.9 grs?
 
Thanks for sharing Walkalong.
Think I’ll load some RMR 124grain MPRs over some sport Pistol next chance I get.

I’ve been working up some 9mm loads with BE86 & WSF and heck I can’t decide which I prefer but leaning towards WSF which I Tried thanks to Dudedog :) Both shoot really well might as well add to the madness since I picked up a pound of sport pistol to try.
 
I have been watching the threads on Sport Pistol and may get a pound or so next time I order up some propellant. Reports are encouraging and probably will be better than my Promo loads in 9MM.
 
I've plinked a thousand plus 124 plated w / 3.7 gr. SP, and have several thousand more loaded and ready. Meters nicely in my LNL AP, good fill, 'clean', and cycles 100% in any of our 9's. Less nitro/heat than Titegroup, so less charring of your brass.
Sorry, no formal testing / technical specs,
 
I have been watching the threads on Sport Pistol and may get a pound or so next time I order up some propellant. Reports are encouraging and probably will be better than my Promo loads in 9MM.
I recently replaced my long time reference W231/HP-38 with Sport Pistol due to better metering, cleaner burning, less temperature sensitive and smaller shot groups.

But Promo is not going anywhere as it still produces good accuracy (around 1" groups at 25 yards compared to sub 1" for Sport Pistol with 17" JR carbine) with 3/4 grain less powder charge for 115 gr FMJ (4.0-4.2 gr vs 4.8 gr). For lower cost closer range practice/plinking applications, it's hard to beat Promo, especially at $113 for 8 lbs - https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/alliant-promo-8/

Besides, recently "reformulated" Promo with all round granules meters with less than .2 gr variance (.12 gr variance with C-H 502 powder measure) and produced 3" group at 100 yards with RMR 100 gr plated RN which is pretty good regardless of powder - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...n-9mm-40s-w-45acp.799231/page-3#post-10286159

But with Sport Pistol for $130 / 8 lbs, if you needed to narrow your powder choice or reload for multiple calibers at mid range target loads, Sport Pistol is hard to beat - https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/alliant-sport-pistol/
 
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I still have about 5# of W231 but I'm looking for another powder for a "go to" for 9mm. Was thinking BE86 or Sport Pistol. I never seem to see either at my LGS. May have to order some from somewhere when doing an order.

-jeff
 
Alliant claims "Excellent case fill" with Sport Pistol. This is something I really prefer when loading 9mm. How was the case fill at 3.9 grs?
I'll get a pic tonight. 85/90ish% load density going from memory. Not great, but good, a double charge would be easy to see.
 
I still have about 5# of W231 but I'm looking for another powder for a "go to" for 9mm. Was thinking BE86 or Sport Pistol.
The choice depends on what you are going to your "go to" powder for. BE86 is excellent for full-power 9mm, Sport Pistol for low to mid-range loadings. If you're trying to duplicate your 231 loads Sport Pistol would be more appropriate as it's close in burn rate. BE86 is a slower powder, who's burn rate Alliant likens to Unique.
 
The choice depends on what you are going to your "go to" powder for. BE86 is excellent for full-power 9mm, Sport Pistol for low to mid-range loadings. If you're trying to duplicate your 231 loads Sport Pistol would be more appropriate as it's close in burn rate. BE86 is a slower powder, who's burn rate Alliant likens to Unique.

I'm thinking target and practice rounds. So as you point out Sport Pistol makes more sense. I do not shoot a lot of full power loads.

-Jeff
 
I have tested Sport Pistol in 9mm pretty extensively. I know Walkalong is loading HP so you have to use a shorter COL. However, for those loading FMJs or RN coated bullets, I get the best results from 4.3 grs of Sport Pistol behind 124 gr FMJ or RN loaded at 1.145 COL.

MP CORE (Apex - B) Sport Pistol 4.3gr Xtreme 124 RN - Good Load.jpg


I have found that my Sport Pistol load data is almost the same as my W231.
 
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I have found that my Sport Pistol load data is almost the same as my W231.
Nice shooting! My experience is similar to yours with Sport Pistol almost duplicating my W231/HP-38 loads, at least for 9mm.

I get the best results from 4.3 grs of Sport Pistol behind 124 gr FMJ or RN loaded at 1.145 COL.
Have you done any comparison test with shorter OAL like 1.135"?

For lighter 125-130 power factor target loads, I have found 115/124 gr FMJ/RN bullets with shorter bullet base benefit from shorter OAL/deeper seating depth that could overshadow less gas leakage from using longer OAL (likely from greater neck tension producing more consistent pressure build).

Atlanta Arms manufactures match ammunition around 131 PF for different match teams and they typically load their 115/124 gr FMJ to 1.135" - https://atlantaarms.com/products/9mm-124gr-fmj-select.html

For their 115 gr FMJ Match AMU (used by Army Marksmanship Unit and Marine Service Pistol team) that must meet 1.5" 10 shot groups at 50 yards, they use even shorter 1.130" OAL - https://atlantaarms.com/products/9mm-115gr-fmj-match-amu.html

I used to load 124 gr FMJ/RN at 1.150"-1.160" and 115 gr FMJ/RN at 1.130-1.135" but thanks to Bart B. and other precision rifle match shooting members and Optimal Charge Weight threads, now when I conduct load development, I will initially use longest working OAL to identify the most accurate powder charge but then incrementally decrease the OAL to see if shot groups decrease. Now I load 124 gr FMJ/RN shorter at 1.130"-1.135" and 115 gr FMJ/RN even shorter at 1.110". To verify benefits of using shorter OAL vs longer OAL, I started a myth busting thread where I tested 1.155" vs 1.130" OAL using RMR 115 gr FMJ (since 115 gr FMJ has shorter base/bearing surface than 124 gr FMJ) and got below groups - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-oal-col-long-vs-short.819257/#post-10511700

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I recently bought 1K of the RMR 124 Gr TrFP "Match Winner" jacketed bullets. They measured .3555 to .356 with dial calipers that I checked on pin gauges before measuring. They were .555 long +/- .001. (Both small sample sizes)

I loaded 25 of them in Blazer brass that measured from .746 to .751 (With most at .747/.748). The cases weighed 60.24 to 61.02 Grs.

I used a CCI 500 primer and 3.9 Grs of Sport Pistol. I loaded them to fall between 1.070 & 1.075, but most were at 1.073 to 1.075.

RMR TrFP MW Loads #120 & #121 Pic 1 @ 75%.JPG
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I shot 8 each through a 3" P-365, a 4.5" XDm OSP, & a 5" Colt 1911. Target at 7 yards, chrono at 5 yards, unsupported, two hands.

I wasn't the steadiest today, but not bad (Except for one group with the other load).

Overall I would have to say these shoot very well with Sport Pistol. Great load. :)

P-365
RMR TrFP MW Loads #120 Pic 1.jpg

XDm OSP
(Red dot)
RMR TrFP MW Loads #120 Pic 2.jpg

Colt Series 80 1911
(With Red Dot) (First four went through the same basic hole, then I got sloppy again)
RMR TrFP MW Loads #120 Pic 3.jpg

I shot the Silhouette load next and really screwed the pooch with the P-365 group (Did OK with the other two), but I was in need of some redemption with it so I shot 8 rounds of factory 124 Gr HSTs (Non +P) on target.

Made me feel better, well, except for that one lapse of concentration hanging way down there. :)
P-365 Factory non +P 124 Gr HST.jpg

Load #120
84 Degrees 66% RH
3" P-365
Hi=975
Lo=955
Avg=967
ES=21
SD=10

4.5" XDm OSP
Hi=1069
Lo=1048
Avg=1059
ES=21
SD=7

5" Colt 1911
Hi=1095
Lo=1060
Avg=1075
ES=35
SD=10
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Factory 124 Gr HST Non +P
86 Degrees 59% RH
3" P-365

Hi=1101
Lo=1055
Avg=1077
ES=46
SD=14
 
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Alliant claims "Excellent case fill" with Sport Pistol. This is something I really prefer when loading 9mm. How was the case fill at 3.9 grs?
I'll get a pic tonight. 85/90ish% load density going from memory. Not great, but good, a double charge would be easy to see.

Here's the pic. It doesn't overflow, but it's definitely noticeable and would make/should make seating hard enough to raise a red flag.

3.9 & 7.8 Grs Sport Pistol in 9MM @ 75%.JPG
 
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Here's the pic. It doesn't overflow, but it's definitely noticeable and would make/should seating hard enough to raise a red flag.
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Nice pictures. I've only been loading 9mm for about 9 months now. I really appreciate being able to soak in all this good information
 
Walkalong,
Reading your posts really makes me want to try Silhouette. Is it your favorite 9mm powder? How would you compare it to BE-86?
 
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