It's much harder for the media to push for a ban of "SPORT" or "UTILITY" rifles. They have defined rifles as "ASSAULT". Scaring everyone who doesn't own one. It's time to wake up to the times we live in. This is not politicaly correct, it's a way to undemonize our hobby. Anybody see runaway jury. Made me sick with all the lies. That's what we're up against. I own a Sport Utility rifle (su16) and a U.S. Military replica (Bushmaster AR15). Or should Dan Rather define my rifles for me because everyone knows that "ASSUALT" is illegal especially "ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON". Wake up.
Sport Utility Rifles
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No offense intended guys, but this is EXACTLY the type of thing we need to be doing. "Spin" is an attempt to shape the debate to your favor by using terms that appeal to the emotions of the viewer. The anti's are very good at shaping the argument in their favor through the use of definations and we need to respond in kind. For most of the uneducated audience, the "emotional" argument will win out over the "factual" argument every time. By using "spin" we can defuse some of the emotional arguments of the anti's and help create some positive emotional arguments of our own.
The good news is that we have the stronger position for those who decide based on "factual" arguments. The more we can catch the anti's in outright lies and distortions, the better to win over that segment of the audience. The problem is, most people don't do the level or research and critical thinking necessary for the "factual" argument to work.
Sport Utility Rifle, Homeland Defense Rifle.
I like it 'em both. Say it with a smile in a way that let's your audience know that you are indeed "spinning," and that they are in on the joke. The real joke is that you are implicitly making fun of the antis' contrived propaganda word "assault weapon."
And if some anti asks you to define it, tell them "I know one when I see it."
I like it 'em both. Say it with a smile in a way that let's your audience know that you are indeed "spinning," and that they are in on the joke. The real joke is that you are implicitly making fun of the antis' contrived propaganda word "assault weapon."
And if some anti asks you to define it, tell them "I know one when I see it."
OEF_VET
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Happy Bob,
There's really only one choice for a gun to go with a Neon, a Beretta Neos. Although a gun that's worth more than the car is a bit ridiculous. Maybe you should get a Hi-Point carbine instead.
Frank
There's really only one choice for a gun to go with a Neon, a Beretta Neos. Although a gun that's worth more than the car is a bit ridiculous. Maybe you should get a Hi-Point carbine instead.
Frank
Brian Dale
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Frank,
Nonsense. While I enjoy what I perceive as your gently poking fun at my choice of wheels, I'll remind you of this: cars depreciate. Guns and houses appreciate.
I should probably get a Neos anyway, though I was planning on a Buck Mark. I suppose that ANY .22LR pistol is the right accompaniment for my "jellybean" commuter car.
My license plate frame reads, "my other car is a fire engine." That means I can buy a Ma Deuce some day, right?
Nonsense. While I enjoy what I perceive as your gently poking fun at my choice of wheels, I'll remind you of this: cars depreciate. Guns and houses appreciate.
I should probably get a Neos anyway, though I was planning on a Buck Mark. I suppose that ANY .22LR pistol is the right accompaniment for my "jellybean" commuter car.
My license plate frame reads, "my other car is a fire engine." That means I can buy a Ma Deuce some day, right?
While I like the concept and use the term "utility rifle" regularly but in a different context, this is as disengenuous as "assault weapon" or "million moms". AR15s, AKs, and all the other military-pattern rifles were designed to maim and kill, not that there is anything wrong with that. Call them what they are: defensive weapons. Trying to sugarcoat them is'nt going to fool anybody. No one is not going to be able to tell the difference between a Ruger #1 and a M4.
FWIW, all I own are black guns of various ilks and am by no means a "sportsman".
FWIW, all I own are black guns of various ilks and am by no means a "sportsman".
Dave Markowitz
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I don't like it.
The Second Amendment is not about "sport," and those rifles the term is applied to are those especially protected by the 2A.
The Second Amendment is not about "sport," and those rifles the term is applied to are those especially protected by the 2A.
Brian Dale
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Dave,
No kidding. Explain to me, please, why I can't walk into Sears and buy an M-16 for cash, with no forms to fill out. It is to our advantage to put military-pattern rifles owned by regular people into the public eye more often, especially since we're at war with jihadis while assailed by gun-banners.
Dave Markowitz
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Because we need to reclaim our rights from those who think they know best for us.
Brian Dale
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Touche' - I agree.
XLMiguel
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Like it or not, it's sound strategy. - i.e. reframe the argument and take control of the lexicon and conversation. Though 'sport' and 'utility' don't have alot to do with the 2nd A., it does put it in terms the sheople might actually grasp and not find offensive, which is half the battle. It's, like, onee of them tactical=>practical paradigm shifts, dudes (yes, I am a marketing conslutant)
Afterall, the bliss-ninney anti-nya-nya's have tarred us with "assault weapon' when we all know fulldamnwell that assault is a behavior, not a device, and that cosmetic features have next to nothing to do with the firearm's effectiveness as a weapon.
Afterall, the bliss-ninney anti-nya-nya's have tarred us with "assault weapon' when we all know fulldamnwell that assault is a behavior, not a device, and that cosmetic features have next to nothing to do with the firearm's effectiveness as a weapon.
Chuck Jennings
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Incidentally, that is what the SU in Kel-Tec's new SU-16 stands for.
Billll
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What Mike in VA said. If you take control of the terms of the debate, you'll seldom lose.
Or maybe it's a variation on the Golden Rule: He who makes the rules, gets the gold.
I believe if the term becomes generally accepted and used by the industry, we'll never see another gun ban like the AWB again.
Or maybe it's a variation on the Golden Rule: He who makes the rules, gets the gold.
I believe if the term becomes generally accepted and used by the industry, we'll never see another gun ban like the AWB again.
TheOtherOne
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I've called them Homeland Defense Rifles ever since I heard that term on here awhile ago. SUR is good too though.
I've said it before, but even the gun stores like the term "assault weapon". They must sale more by calling them that. I know my local gun store mislabels all their Homeland Defense Rifles as "assault weapons".
I've said it before, but even the gun stores like the term "assault weapon". They must sale more by calling them that. I know my local gun store mislabels all their Homeland Defense Rifles as "assault weapons".
I think 'Sport Utility Rifle' is a terrific twist, but I would avoid 'Homeland Defense Rifle'. It has a certain anti-government, fear-the-UN, tinfoil hat sound to certain people. As if we fear that the UN, with a mandate to observe but not intervene (and probably speaking French), might invade Mayberry in lightly armored personell carriers any day now.
The phrase wouldn't bother any of us, but we are trying to demonstrate that we are just plain old folks, not reactionary agitators.
The phrase wouldn't bother any of us, but we are trying to demonstrate that we are just plain old folks, not reactionary agitators.
7.62FullMetalJacket
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"Homeland Defense Rifle" is hardly anti-government. After all, we have a Department of Homeland Security 
. It follows, that a HDR is a patriotic symbol.
The SUR is another proposition that has something going for it (re-frames the debate) and something against it (a knock-off of the evil SUV nomenclature). Blissninnies are very afraid of SUVs unless, of course, they are driving them. There is another thread here about the power of the word and the importance of framing the debate. It may be necessary to put aside the "in your face I have rights" approach and adopt a kinder. gentler terminology to appeal to the fence riders. After all, the MBR is still an MBR no matter what we call it for posterity.
. It follows, that a HDR is a patriotic symbol.The SUR is another proposition that has something going for it (re-frames the debate) and something against it (a knock-off of the evil SUV nomenclature). Blissninnies are very afraid of SUVs unless, of course, they are driving them.
There is another thread here about the power of the word and the importance of framing the debate. It may be necessary to put aside the "in your face I have rights" approach and adopt a kinder. gentler terminology to appeal to the fence riders. After all, the MBR is still an MBR no matter what we call it for posterity.Billmanweh
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sport utility rifle, I really like that. kind of catchy.
shooter1
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I like it! After all it's all about perceiption, and the unenlightened perceive "assault" as the only use for that class of weapon.
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trooper
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I like it. I agree with those who said that we have to set the rules for public discussion if we want to dominate it.
That said, what SUR would go well together with my rusty, trusty ol' 1993 VW Golf III Diesel?
Regards,
That said, what SUR would go well together with my rusty, trusty ol' 1993 VW Golf III Diesel?
Regards,
Billll
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I'll let sombody else start the "What SUR with your SUV" thread.
45King
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Ever heard of a "CAR-94"?
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'94 Winchester Trapper in .45 Colt with black polymer furniture...
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