This is a spin off from my last thread concerning SF 1911's When looking at SF Web site the picture of the Loaded Series item # PX9151LP its stamped Geneseo,IL and I assume that's where its manufactured. However when looking at the same pistol in my local gun shop it stamped "Made In Brazil" Should I have a concern of manufacturning quality, of course I'd prefer the USA mfg gun
Springfield 1911 Mfg'd Where ?
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SundownRider
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The Imbel manufactured Springfields are as good as the ones manufactured here. Springfield wouldn't put their stamp on them if they were inferior. WHo wants to deal with all of the quality issues? I own one of the made in Brazil ones, and it is a wonder. Some of the parts are manufactured in Brazil, then they are assembled here.
If you feel strongly about it, hunt around until you find a USA one. Bottom line, you're buying it, you're shooting it. If you have concerns, you can do three things:
1. Breathe in.
2. Breathe out.
3. Move on.
If you feel strongly about it, hunt around until you find a USA one. Bottom line, you're buying it, you're shooting it. If you have concerns, you can do three things:
1. Breathe in.
2. Breathe out.
3. Move on.
Springfield doesn't currently, and never has, sell any handguns that are manufactured in the USA.
their 1911 frames have always come from Brazil, the XD from Croatia and their older P9 from Italy
Rugers, S&W and Sigs are manufactured completely in the USA
their 1911 frames have always come from Brazil, the XD from Croatia and their older P9 from Italy
Rugers, S&W and Sigs are manufactured completely in the USA
MachIVshooter
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Uh, If we're talking strictly 1911's, then you have to exclude Ruger. If we're talking full line-up's of US made handguns, then you have to exclude Sig.
As for 1911's made here, it's most of them. Colt, S&W, Kimber, DW, Les Baer, Wilson, Ed Brown, Fusion, Nighthawk, USFA.
Not sure about STI, and I know Para's are Canadian. RRA/Rock Island are made in the Phillipines.
as Springfield is primarily an importer, would you enlighten me as to who produced their frames and slides for them?
oops...exclude Ruger
JohnBT
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According to a magazine article I read some years back, all of the frames were made in Brazil, BUT some of them were imported into the U.S. in unfinished condition. The frames that had the slide rails machined in the U.S. were marked made in the U.S. I assume they're still doing some of this, but haven't bothered to check on it recently.
John
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JTQ
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STI's are made in Texas, except for the Spartan which is made by Armscor (same as Rock Island Armory) in the Phillipines,
ParaOrd is now ParaUSA and has moved manufacturing to North Carolina. Some pistols on the shelves are probably still from the Canadian factory.
RRA and Rock Island Armory are different companies.
Rock River Arms (RRA) is in Illinois, but no longer makes 1911's. They have concentrated all of their current production on AR-15's. There are RRA pistols out there and they were all built in Illinois. They were a semi-custom maker, along the lines of Wilson and Baer.
Rock Island Armory is from the Phillipines (Armscor).
Springfield 1911's all come from Brazil. The higher up the Springfield lineup you get, the more fitting is done in the US. My understanding is the GI's come complete from Brazil, where as the higher end TRP is mostly fitted in the US from mostly Brazilian made parts with some higher end pieces added.
There are a lot of good pistols out there. Whatever you buy will probably work pretty well.
JTQ
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The US Government's Springfield Armory, in Springfield, Mass., did.
The company, Springfield Armory in Illinois, did not.
Two completely different Springfield Armory's.
Jolly Rogers
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I don't believe there are many gun companies (similar to S.A., Baer, Ed Brown, Fusion, Wilson etc.)that have the manufacturing facilities to forge and/or cast frames and slides for 1911s. I'd like to find out just what companies can and do produce those parts.
Joe
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i thought i read that Baer made their own frames and slides. it's been a while since i read it, back when they opened
earlthegoat2
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1911s are quickly becoming like AR15s.
Soon enough there are going to be a handful of parts suppliers selling the same parts to many different companies and all 1911s are going to be the same just like all the ARs.
Just with different prices.
Soon enough there are going to be a handful of parts suppliers selling the same parts to many different companies and all 1911s are going to be the same just like all the ARs.
Just with different prices.
Accuracy is very important and that's the main reason for the adj. sights, so which ever one I pick will need this option. Hopefully the 1911's are a accurate has everyone say's.
Just not sure if the P19140LP is worth the extra $$ over the P19132LP when both have the adj. sights.
Thanks to all and more opinions will always welcomed
Just not sure if the P19140LP is worth the extra $$ over the P19132LP when both have the adj. sights.
Thanks to all and more opinions will always welcomed
Quack
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All Springfield Armory 1911's are built from IMBEL forgings. It's been that way since the early/mid 80's (~1984), when they (Springfield Armory Inc./Geneseo, IL/Reese family) started making 1911's. Those with the "NM" prefix have >51% of the fit/finish/assembly done in the US. The 1911's built in Brazil will have the import markings.
jfh
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Quack gets it right for the early SA 1911s. My 'NM" frame was finished here in the US, and that was purchased in 1988 / 89. However, I don't recall if that is an IMBREL forging.
When I first checked into some of the current models--ca. 3 years ago--I was under the impression that the 'high-end' models were finished here in the US.
Jim H.
When I first checked into some of the current models--ca. 3 years ago--I was under the impression that the 'high-end' models were finished here in the US.
Jim H.
Yeah, but I don't know anyone that is doing the kind of hand fitting many 1911 makers do to ARs.
because they don't need it to function properly
MachIVshooter
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I Know RRA and RIA are not the same company, but weren't the Rock River 1911's also built also by Armscor? I was pretty sure.
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Rock River Arms...
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=209
has never had a connection to Armscorp (which produces the Rock Island Arsenal guns). Two separate entities.
tipoc
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=209
has never had a connection to Armscorp (which produces the Rock Island Arsenal guns). Two separate entities.
tipoc
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Quack speaks the truth...
If it helps...a buddy and I both bought Stainless Mil-Specs from the same company at the same time to be used in the first "Project Street Gun" class put on by Teddy Jacobson and Stephen Camp...
Our pistols arrived from the same dealer in the same shipment...mine had the NM marked serial number and no Imbel markings (despite it being made there...see Quack's response) and his with the N marked serial number and the Imbel, Brasil markings...
A cursory look at both pistols showed that he and I had different front sights...his matte stainless portions of the Mil Spec were a darker gray than mine and mine felt perhaps more smooth when racking the slide (a very subjective observation)
since 2005...both of our pistols have been flawless and near identical running...no sights have shot loose, various mags work fine (I like Tripp CobraMags, he likes Wilson's)...both feed just about whatever we put through them...
(an interesting note was that while the internal dimensions of each stainless Mil Spec were identical, they were different than those on the Parkerized Mil Specs in the class...this caused an end to the use of the stainless model and truth be told...I wish now mine was a Parked model...)
Bill
If it helps...a buddy and I both bought Stainless Mil-Specs from the same company at the same time to be used in the first "Project Street Gun" class put on by Teddy Jacobson and Stephen Camp...
Our pistols arrived from the same dealer in the same shipment...mine had the NM marked serial number and no Imbel markings (despite it being made there...see Quack's response) and his with the N marked serial number and the Imbel, Brasil markings...
A cursory look at both pistols showed that he and I had different front sights...his matte stainless portions of the Mil Spec were a darker gray than mine and mine felt perhaps more smooth when racking the slide (a very subjective observation)
since 2005...both of our pistols have been flawless and near identical running...no sights have shot loose, various mags work fine (I like Tripp CobraMags, he likes Wilson's)...both feed just about whatever we put through them...
(an interesting note was that while the internal dimensions of each stainless Mil Spec were identical, they were different than those on the Parkerized Mil Specs in the class...this caused an end to the use of the stainless model and truth be told...I wish now mine was a Parked model...)
Bill
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