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and they make the lowest cost M14, which they named the M1A.

Without Springfield Armory we would not have the M1a, maybe no semi auto M14 variants. They were really needed for NRA Highpower competitors at a time when Garands were extremely hard to acquire, and lost their match tune quickly.

As for cheap, I thought the ones I purchased were expensive. My period of M1a was when the National Match and Super Match M1a's had GI bolts, operating rods, gas systems, and triggers. These were the Gold Standard at the time, there were a few other semi auto M14's, but SA was the 99% rifle on the line. I know a lot of derision has been thrown at cast receivers, most of which is unfair. I have examined forged and milled receivers. These receivers copied as close as possible, without violating ATF fears of full auto conversions, the GI configuration. SA made their receivers thicker in the side walls, which gave them a longer impact lifetime. I never had a problem dropping GI parts into a SA receiver, and I cannot say that of one of the forged and milled receivers I encountered. The SA warranty was outstanding, I had a bud who had over ten barrels on one SA receiver, and it cracked under the elevation knob at the bolt release. SA replaced the receiver and sent back what was a rebuilt match rifle for free! I talked to USMC shooters when they were still using Government M14's as match rifles, GI receivers cracked, bolt rollers came off, lugs cracked. The M14 was designed to be as light as possible to pass a 6000 round endurance test. USMC team shooters put so many rounds downrange they were finding the fatigue lifetime of the locking system. I thought a little extra weight in the SA cast receiver was a good thing.

I did earn my Distinguished with a SA M1a, and am very happy with the ones I have.
 
Just for debate's sake, SA's reboot of the Browning High Power. Compared to...well...ANY manufacturer that's made it for the past...say the past 30 years.

You'll have to refine that to "when in production" since there's no reasonable comparison on pricing with the BHPs/P35s no longer in production.

If we're comparing Girsan's, Tisa's, Springfield's, and (perhaps) FN's current "Hi Power"... sure.

I collect P35/BHPs. I carry a heavily customized alloy "Detective" length P35 that started life as the rare alloy police model. I just bought a Girsan and I've handled the Springfield and the Tisa and even the Argentine FM (their Detective was the donor for the upper on my alloy carry P35). I've also handled and shot the Night Hawk and Cylinder & Slide guns (which is why I had the alloy built).

I think there are easy benchmarks for fit and finish on them and "update mods" that shooters put into them that can be pointed to for price differences. Also the cost of operations and employee pay as well as marketing with Springfield vs. the others.

Do I think Springfield's MSRP of $699 for the SA-35 is out of line? Nope, not for a forged steel gun. Do I think it is any better than the Turkish clones (other than the Tisa)? Nope. At least not better than the Girsan with an MSRP of $545-$565 (I paid $500 OTD) after taking it apart and looking it over. Does that make the SA 35 over priced? Nope, for the previously stated reasons of where it is manufactured. Am I going to buy an SA-35...probably not, but I have the Girsan now and doubt I'll stumble across a killer deal on the SA.

If we're talking about street price, that is a completely different matter based on availability and all the personal reasons people pay more for handguns than MSRP.
 
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I really like Springfield Armory weapons but I have never paid full price for one. The local chain stores have big discounts with lots of accessories a couple of times a year.

I have never heard of that or seen it. with big companies prices are set




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It was a smart by the founders of Springfield Armory to use the name. The original Springfield Armory had been closed down by then, but the name recognition was huge for the WW2, Korea War and Vietnam generations. Many of them carried a M1 Garand, or M14 made by Springfield Armory. It was simply good marketing. As I remember the first firearms made by SA were Devine M1a's. It was somewhere in the 1980's or maybe 1990's that Springfield Armory started making 1911's. I remember a gunsmith expressing skepticism that SA could make a decent 1911 way below what Colt charged. Well, SA did.


No one should confuse the still existing Rock Island Arsenal with Rock Island Armory. But I am sure the name was picked because the general public does not know the difference. And it is great marketing.

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Just today I was at the local Gunstore and I saw SA 1911's on the shelf. What I saw was about $100 more than a Taurus, so it is not out of the ball park. A new Colt 1911 was over $1000. You pay for the Pony. I don't think SA is all that exorbitant.

I am a cheap bugger though, and last month I purchased a $329.00 Tisas 1911, and for the money, I cannot be happier.

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You don't have to spend big money to get a reliable 1911 that shoots to point of aim. I do wish I have purchased the first Range Officer I handled, it was tighter than a bank vault. Got to fire a friend's, and it was a quality firearm.

I have fond memories of Springfield Armory on Commercial Row at Camp Perry. So maybe I am wearing Rose Colored Glasses.
nice shooting and shows how Colt with their real high prices could not even make money. a lot of the money had to be stolen. that is a fine pistol for a real good price
 
eally like Springfield Armory weapons but I have never paid full price for one. The local chain stores have big discounts with lots of accessories a couple of times a year.

I have never heard of that or seen it. with big companies prices are set

I can't remember the last Black Friday that I didn't see a great deal on a Springfield pistol.

https://blackfriday.com/ads/black-friday/sportsmans-warehouse?page=3

I purchased my XDS, XD mod 2 and Hellcat all at substantial discounts with a wealth of quality accessories included. If you keep an eye open these deals also come up through out the year.

The only reason I purchased my XD mod 2 3.3" 45acp a few years back was the deal was too good to pass up. It is now my favorite night stand pistol...
 
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I can't remember the last Black Friday that I didn't see a great deal on a Springfield pistol.

https://blackfriday.com/ads/black-friday/sportsmans-warehouse?page=3

I purchased my XDS, XD mod 2 and Hellcat all at substantial discounts with a wealth of quality accessories included. If you keep an eye open these deals also come up through out the year.

The only reason I purchased my XD mod 2 3.3" 45acp a few years back was the deal was too good to pass up. It is now my favorite night stand pistol...
I was thinking of the MI-A's
 
Springfield Armory makes an okay product. What I don't like about them is the fact that they heavily rely on other companies around the world to manufacture their products in one shape or form, they a lot discontinue products quickly, and they refuse in most cases to sell spare parts. I reckon when you have so many middle men involved who also need to get paid and turn a profit, your price point has to be a little higher.
 
Springfield Armory makes an okay product. What I don't like about them is the fact that they heavily rely on other companies around the world to manufacture their products in one shape or form, they a lot discontinue products quickly, and they refuse in most cases to sell spare parts. I reckon when you have so many middle men involved who also need to get paid and turn a profit, your price point has to be a little higher.
I had 4 GMC and chevy 3500's over the years made in canada
 
It's a shame its for the name only considering what the operation of the instrument is. I get it. I really do. And it pains me that I can't get more behind it. They discontinued the Range Officer model right before the release of the "Emissary" and it was such a disappointment. Not only to the people that wanted to buy a Range Officer, but to those that spent so much for a model that had so much less going for it for so much more cost. And it seems like who ever has the reins of their marketing department in terms of the 1911 production just wants to spiral that company right down the bowl.

My dad bought the Ronin 1911 five inch barrel. We did our own repairs to the magazine and the feed ramp to get it to fire. $770 that you have to repair to get to fire from a 100 year old design.

I just bought a used 9MM 1 1/2 year old 5" also that wouldn't chamber my reloads. Shot factory fine. Firing pin gave light strikes also. SA sent me a new pin and all was ok CC is out of control. I do like the gun.
 
Do GMC and and Chevy own the plants in Canada aka they are in charge?
I have no idea but all the trucks were made in canada and most US cars have foreign parts. look at Honda and other japanese carmakers on how many plants they have in the US.
 
I have no idea but all the trucks were made in canada and most US cars have foreign parts. look at Honda and other japanese carmakers on how many plants they have in the US.
Yea, but I prefer that the firearm manufacturers I purchase from manufacturer and have complete control over their own parts and production not not have to depend on third parties companies. Springfield is mostly an importer. Even their 1911 frames are many of the parts are imported, and then just finished, assembled, and rebranded. IMHO, that's reason why they do not sell replacement and spare parts to their customers. Well they will sell a select few parts, but not many.
 
Springfield is emphatic that although they at one time used Imbel frames, metal frames of guns sold in the last 10 years or so are domestic. I am pretty sure all domestic makers outsource small parts such as pins, screws and springs, and there is no guarantee where they are made. The OP wondered if the guns were worth the money. Many apparently think so, or SA would be defunct. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, however. Buy one if you appreciate the difference. Buy something else if you don't.
 
It was a smart by the founders of Springfield Armory to use the name. The original Springfield Armory had been closed down by then, but the name recognition was huge for the WW2, Korea War and Vietnam generations. Many of them carried a M1 Garand, or M14 made by Springfield Armory. It was simply good marketing.

No one should confuse the still existing Rock Island Arsenal with Rock Island Armory. But I am sure the name was picked because the general public does not know the difference. And it is great marketing.
Ask Henry how that's working out for them...
 
So who forged SA 1911 and SA35 frames? My guess is Brazil.
Ten or more years ago the 1911 frames were made by Imbel in Brazil. Someone will be along to correct my dates, but for the last 10 years or so the 1911 frames have been made here in the USA.

The SA35 is new enough that the frames have always been made here in the USA.

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I think guys are really rediculous about what things cost. Especially a piece of live saving equipment. I hope you wouldnt use a Harbor freight parachute. Quality cost money. Period. There is not a rational person that can say they have to buy a 400$ gun because you cannot afford a 500$ gun. Nonsense.
 
I think guys are really rediculous about what things cost. Especially a piece of live saving equipment. I hope you wouldnt use a Harbor freight parachute. Quality cost money. Period. There is not a rational person that can say they have to buy a 400$ gun because you cannot afford a 500$ gun. Nonsense.

I paid $1200 for a Springfield M1a Scout.
I could have paid $2500 for the equivalent from BULA, but why? My Springfield will never be "a piece of life saving equipment". I have plenty of those already. It will ring steel, shoot reasonably close to where its aimed, look interesting, and satisfy my desire to fill that gap in my collection.
When people talk about "cast this" or "low tier that", I have to laugh, because in 99.9% of those comments its all purely an ego thing unrelated to the ability of the tool to do the job.

I don't care much about bragging rights, I'm not going to pay double for a nebulous feature that isn't going to enhance my experience with the gun or the ability of the gun to do what I need it to do.
 
I paid $1200 for a Springfield M1a Scout.
I could have paid $2500 for the equivalent from BULA, but why? My Springfield will never be "a piece of life saving equipment". I have plenty of those already. It will ring steel, shoot reasonably close to where its aimed, look interesting, and satisfy my desire to fill that gap in my collection.
When people talk about "cast this" or "low tier that", I have to laugh, because in 99.9% of those comments its all purely an ego thing unrelated to the ability of the tool to do the job.

I don't care much about bragging rights, I'm not going to pay double for a nebulous feature that isn't going to enhance my experience with the gun or the ability of the gun to do what I need it to do.
We were discussing hand
I paid $1200 for a Springfield M1a Scout.
I could have paid $2500 for the equivalent from BULA, but why? My Springfield will never be "a piece of life saving equipment". I have plenty of those already. It will ring steel, shoot reasonably close to where its aimed, look interesting, and satisfy my desire to fill that gap in my collection.
When people talk about "cast this" or "low tier that", I have to laugh, because in 99.9% of those comments its all purely an ego thing unrelated to the ability of the tool to do the job.

I don't care much about bragging rights, I'm not going to pay double for a nebulous feature that isn't going to enhance my experience with the gun or the ability of the gun to do what I need it to do.
like you said, you didnt buy yours for serious porpouses. A toy-grade firearm is fine for having fun with.
 
We were discussing hand

My friend, you aren't the arbiter of what can and can't be posted in this thread.

like you said, you didnt buy yours for serious porpouses. A toy-grade firearm is fine for having fun with.

Thats right, I did. And if I need for some reason to use it for something other than fun, I have no doubt it will work flawlessly. I don't need your adoration or approval of my cast receiver Springfield, nor do I care if I have it. I don't live in a world where every single one of my firearms has to be a battle ready operator status ego toy.

Lol, "Toy-grade"? What a silly and childish thing to say. What exactly is a "Toy-grade firearm"?
 
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A word on price, MOST people are cheap and would spend the least amount possible for an item.

The Norinco M1A's were proof of this but as it turned out, with a couple minor mods, they turned out to be as good as SA M1A's.

The prices that they bring now are proof of this.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/956051390

I would never question someone else's choice, buy what you like, it's your choice and money.
 
My friend, you aren't the arbiter of what can and can't be posted in this thread.



Thats right, I did. And if I need for some reason to use it for something other than fun, I have no doubt it will work flawlessly. I don't need your adoration or approval of my cast receiver Springfield, nor do I care if I have it.

Lol, "Toy-grade"? What a silly and childish thing to say. What exactly is a "Toy-grade firearm"?
I didnt mean to hurt your feelings. I am entitled to my opinion, as are you, sir.
 
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