standard garand or standard 91/30 mosin, whos more accurate?

[Slamfire]

I have shot groups through both. All rifles had good barrels. The Russian rifles were shot with ball ammo, the Garands were shot with loads with good bullets.

A M1891 is more accurate than a rack grade Garand.

A M1891 will shoot close to 3 MOA, a rack grade Garand will shoot around 4 MOA.

The specifications for NM Garands were 3.5 MOA. This was based on a population of 800 or so newly built NM Garands that were test fired for accuracy by Springfield Armory in the 50's. About 80% of the rifles would shoot 3.5 MOA or better.

If there is a rack grade Garand that consistantly shoots 1-1.25 MOA, it is a rare collectable.

Match Garands, with commerical match barrels, and all the modifications, will shoot close to 1 MOA.

It is the rare gas gun that is more accurate than a bolt rifle. Even amoung service rifles.

 

[krs]

krs, what range is that?

100 yards.

 

[doubs43]

Here are some pictures of my Chatellerault Mosin. It's obviously been through a Finn arsenal or arms plant for a refurb. The actual date on the original Chatellerault receiver in, I believe, on the inside of the lower tang and hidden by the stock. I've only had it apart once to check. The bolt matches the new barrel and has an Izhevsk Arsenal marking (bow & arrow) as does the magazine box.

The rifle.


Barrel & Receiver marks. Other than the original serial number on the left side, the receiver has only the marks seen here.


Original receiver serial number.


Rear sight and "SA" mark.


Austrian capture marks stamped over what I think is the Imperial Russian Eagle.


Stock splice. I'm not sure if this is an original Russian stock or a Finn stock.

 

[lionking]

As far as sights if I had to say my best choice is thin front post with rear peep like on a M1903a3 and Enfield No4.

Mosin sights aren't the best,in general most military rifles with rear notch and front post aren't but overall I shoot just as good with them (notch and blade) as I do Garand style sights,it depends on the specific rifle more than the design.I do about the same if I average every time I shoot with a Swedish mauser or m39 Mosin as I do with a Garand.

The worst sights on a milsurp I have are on my Springfield m1903.For one there are several styles on it,and the notches are soooooo small that lining up with the front sight makes my eyes get tired.The sunlight and time of day plays a big part with me on that rifle.

No doubt current prices for a Mosin 91/30 make it a great rifle to get,it's fun,reasonably accurate with a wide array of ammo available.But the Garand is a rifleman's rifle when in excellent working condition compared.

 

[Farnham]

I'm lucky if I can hit the ground with my Russian 91/30.

My Garand (1943 SA) is about 3.5 MOA.

With plenty of time between shots, and some luck, I've put up 5 shot 2 MOA groups with my Finn Mosin.

So I voted Garand.