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Carl Levitian

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The government says we can't do it, and they can't either. El Al airlines does it, and it been decades since anyone messed with them. Or at least did, and live through the experiance.

But out on the street, why not? It works, ask any cop. The one and only reality tv show where you see "real men and women of law enforcement" at work, Cops, is an eye opener for street awareness. The one tv show we all can watch, brings into focus just what the face of the enemy is. You don't have to watch too many shows to realize something. People really do look like what they are.

Stereotyping.

Walking down the street in condition yellow, and looking at who is sharing the sidewalk with you, about 90% of the people can be chalked off as no threat right off the bat. The couple of women window shopping with purses slung over their shoulders, nicely dressed, are not likely to be a threat. The guy in the grey suit and attache case, no not really. The young 30 something couple with the child in a stroller, nah.

But there, down the way a little, loitering by the corner, are two young guys right out of cental casting for Cops. Ball caps backwards, pants hanging down, weird haircuts, eyeballing everyone who goes by. Trouble on the hoof. Jackals. Predators looking over the flock.

Why is it that punks who are going to be trouble, look like it? It's as if they adhere to some uniform and code of conduct. Gangbanger imitating dress, and sticking out like a sore thumb. Hasn't changed in a million years. When I was in high school, it was leather jackets, tightly pegged pants, and Italian switchblades. By senior year they had been thinned out, some sent off to reform school, or even in one case I recall, one was shot trying to hold up a liquor store by threatning the cleck with a knife. Too bad for him, the clerk was really the owner and had an old Colt Detective Special. Oh well. Now its baggy pants, backward caps, and a cheap tactical looking knife. Around here, they seem to reserve the Davis .380 or stolen Glock for holding up convenience stores late at night. At least that's one nice thing to take advantage of.

Walking around a mall while the better half shops, or pulling into a strip type shopping center, it's not too hard to scan the lot for the usual suspects. Wolves, jackals, and other varmints generally look like what they are. The two well dressed young guys in business casual aren't likely to threaten you with a Parker t-ball jotter and demand your wallet and cell phone. But as you walk back to the car, the four gangbanger types in the Japanese compact with the coffee can muffler and whale tail on the trunk lid watching people come and go, bear watching and a wide berth.

Stereotyping. Generally speaking, trouble looks like what it is, and trash looks like trash.

You know what they say about the duck.
 
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To the OP... Yes, stereotyping works. There is nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. Police officers have to operate under all kinds of rediculous rules and redundant procedures. I feel bad for them. But in the end, the important thing is that people don't have their rights violated, even if it is at the cost of effective law enforcement. Since you and I aren't cops, we can be as prejudice as we want toward people. Judging someone by their race is wrong, but people choose what they wear and how they act. Judging them for that is just fine.
 
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If you call it "profiling" it seems a little more PC but the lefties tell us we are not supposed to do that either.

Airline security gets around it by doing a full cavity search of the occassional 80-year-old white grandmother to make it look like they are not just picking on those customers that appear to be of arab descent.

I am not an LEO, but I can't imagine one that doesn't "profile" every day they are on the street. It's called good police work in my book.
 
I agree there is a lot to that theory. I profile those by their looks, and state of dress. I am right about 99.999 percent of the time as well.
 
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After London had their bombings on the tubes and busses and they started random searches of passenger's bags, their chief of police made the statement which said something to the effect of ....

"xx% of terrorist attacks are carried out by men of middle eastern decent between the ages of 17 and 35, so we're not going to bother searching the bags of middle aged Caucasian women"

IMHO, the U.S. is doomed to either pay 1,000 times more for our security measures than is necessary, or to endure another attack.

All for the sake of denying reality and sticking with our PC BS.
 
The only stereotype the show COPS enforces is that too many police officers have no regard for civil rights, and too many citizens don’t know what their rights are.
 
"xx% of terrorist attacks are carried out by men of middle eastern decent between the ages of 17 and 35, so we're not going to bother searching the bags of middle aged Caucasian women"

I hope he didn't say something that stupid. How hard would it be to find a 45 year old Caucasian woman to carry a package for a few bucks? I m thinking not too hard.
 
Mainsail wrote: The only stereotype the show COPS enforces is that too many police officers have no regard for civil rights, and too many citizens don’t know what their rights are.

I thought I was the ONLY person who noticed that! Man, I see about half a show of lawsuits against the cops on that show every time i watch it!
 
Good post Carl, I do the same thing.

As for LEO's having no regard for civil rights, ya all ever heard of probable cause.
 
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Good post, Mr Levitian. I concur that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

The drawback to today's society when trying to teach these skills to younger folks (though I'm not really old by any stretch of the imagination) is that they tend to say "I'm non-judgemental." *sigh*

I reply by saying that it's true one shouldn't jump to conclusions but evaluate the facts then make a judgement. Things in nature have distinct markings telling you that they are a threat or stay away. People are no different no matter how much techno gizmos we have and no matter how far we try to distance ourselves from nature, we are still are a part of nature.

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Andrew
 
OK folks, listen up.

This thread just got a whole lot shorter. Why? Because this is Strategies and Tactics, not Spelling and Grammar. The only words I'm worried about are the ones that might upset Art's grammaw. Anything else mostly gets a pass, as long as it's ON TOPIC.

Yanking other members' chains over spelling errors, grammatical mistakes etc. is not what we are here for. If you don't want to discuss the things this subforum is here to discuss, then go somewhere else, please.

lpl
 
I have an experience I can relate to this.

At around 11:00 one night I came out of a movie and was walking back to my car along the sidewalk. Soon I noticed a 'gangbanger' type walking parallel to me in the middle of the road. This immediately put me in condition red. This was in New Hampshire, where I don't have a permit yet so I was restricted to a pocket knife. After about 20 yards of him walking along with me I slid out my knife and made ready... But fortunately for me (and him) he was just walking to his car further down the street, and chose to walk in the road rather than on the sidewalk. If anything, I learned that anything out of the ordinary catches my attention quick.
 
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Meh. I look like I'm 16 and haven't a brain in my head. No one would think from looking at me that I'd be interested in guns (or anything but church choir rehearsal, lip gloss, "flunking" a test with an A-, and getting my driver's license some day)...but SURPRISE.

I put some stock on looks, but not everything.
 
I thought I was the ONLY person who noticed that! Man, I see about half a show of lawsuits against the cops on that show every time i watch it!

I sit through most of the show yelling at the T.V. " You need to shut up and ask for a lawyer right now" or "Officer I do not consent to a search". I did see one episode that made me cheer they picked the guy up and as soon as they cuffed him he said "I don't want to be a smart --- but I don't have any idea why you stopped me and I need to talk to a lawyer." Because he asked for a lawyer and shut up( where have I heard that before?) the cops had no probable cause to arrest him and they had to let him go.

I'm sure they run into other people who know their rights and assert them but they don't show those stops cause the sheep might learn from them.
 
Jared Taylor often makes the very good point that the police use gender and social class all the time to profile people and no one seems to have any problem with that. It's only when the police use racial or ethnic profiling that the left goes haywire.
 
I can always tell who troublemakers are and, at work, who I am not going to enjoy dealing with. I do know I keep a smile on my face and the same tone, but I'm almost always right.

Profiling for certain things works. Hispanic people don't blow themselves up with a bus depot, for instance, as a whole.

But I can say that a single person isn't likely to give you problems because of the color of their skin. Yes, police may need to watch certain people closer because there's a larger percentage of certain groups, to keep it PC, that will, but as a person, you really need to look at that person.

It's surprising how often 'reading a book by its cover' really works. It's in the dress, the body language, the lines around the mouth and eyes. Expression can work on a day-to-day basis, but that changes so often it's unreliable. The way a person talks, if you can hear them beforehand, is a big giveaway.
 
I stereotype when it relates to awareness. Plain and simple.


Some-- especially here-- want to call that discriminatory or prejudicial. No offense to anyone, those arguments are usually the product of the combination of ignorance (no experience) and PC culture.

Let's talk about that for a moment...

I am going to specifically talk about dress.


I work at a school that is 85% black. Obviously, I speak with my students on a routine basis-- especially when I am on duty during recess.

We always have a certain percentage of our students that go out of their way to dress "Gangsta." And then we have another percentage that does not.

Those that dress "Gangsta" have to be creative-- since we have UNIFORMS at my school. What they do is attempt to modify the uniform to express that appearance.


Those that dress "Gangsta" all have ONE thing in common:

- They want to be perceived as intimidating.

I see this in their interactions with other students-- it carries into behavior far beyond simple dress.

Think about that for a minute...

When we dress, we are making an effort to project an image. When I need to go to a meeting, I can don a suit and tie. When I am coaching football, I have gym gear on.

We make efforts to display our "plumage" in order to CREATE an image that others will respond to in a very deliberate and specific way.


Those that dress "Gangsta" are doing that EXACT same thing. I see it EVERY SINGLE DAY that I go to work.

And if you see my list of Write-ups this year, they correlate with this observation in terms of behavior.


There is NOTHING wrong with noticing the message that someone has made efforts to send to you. In fact, I would think that a person be upset that they did not create their desired effect if you DIDN'T notice it.


Comments made by my students have reinforced this view with me. Those that choose not to involve themselves in "gangsta" culture, have a very dim view of those students that do. They are often the recipients of harassment by those in "Gangsta" garb.

Obviously, there are exceptions to EVERY rule, but you do not throw out a rule based upon an exception. Moreover, if you ARE the exception and you are dissatisfied with being lumped into that stereotype, it is perhaps time to consider YOUR choice to BE lumped into that group.



-- John
 
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

I copied that from someone's sig line. There has been created, a mindset and culture within America, that we have the right to not be offended.

I remember Dennis Miller ranting about profiling post 9-11, "Noticing that 18 of 19 members of a terrorist team happen to be from the same nationality and religion isn't profiling, it's being MINIMALLY F------ OBSERVANT." Political correctness expects us to unlearn what we know about dangerous people and look at the middle-aged female dressed for business the same way we look at a teen-20 latino male cluster in a slow-moving primer-colored Civic.

Sometimes I'm in uniform. Sometimes I'm in sweats and a t-shirt with two days' beard. Sometimes I'm in a leather jacket and jeans. I'm always the same guy.

I heard a story, when I spent a very brief period selling cars. Every time someone walks onto the lot, you have to try to size them up to know how to pitch them. A kid on a Toyota lot in Arizona had had a pretty good month, so the managers decided to give him a shot at the Lexus section, the suits upstairs. One blazing afternoon, they looked out and say a hippie-looking guy riding around the Lexus lanes on a mountain bike. They said "Hey kid, you got one out there." as they nudged each other and giggled. The kid went out and talked to him, and didn't come back. They looked out 90 minutes later, and this kid was still out there with him. Finally the kid came back up and said, "Alice Cooper's only problem is, he doesn't know how to buy one car for himself, another for his wife, and still get his bike home. I assured him we would work something out."

The same thing applies to what we do. You must be willing to consider everything and everyone. One of the oldest mugging tricks in the books is a woman with a baby asking for help.
 
"Ball caps backwards, pants hanging down, weird haircuts, eyeballing everyone who goes by."

"Now its baggy pants, backward caps, and a cheap tactical looking knife."

you pretty much just described me other than I tend to wear my hat forward or sideways not backwards, and I carry good knives, I assure you im not a a threat to you or yours unless you make it so.

hell im more of a threat to the people you just stereo typed

body talk, speech, eyes all play more of an important roll in my judgements than apperance, wolves come in all shapes and sizes.
 
ou pretty much just described me other than I tend to wear my hat forward or sideways not backwards, and I carry good knives, I assure you im not a a threat to you or yours unless you make it so.
Sideways? Seriously? I would love an explanation for that...I've never asked anyone why, but always wondered.
 
cant really tell ya honestly, that was always the fashion around were I grew up and its stuck with me. just "FEELS" right as it were.

normaly just rock my hat 1/4 1/3 sideways to the right, not totally sideways like back in the day
 
theken206,

No offense, but you just proved my point about exceptions.

There are always exceptions to rules... but those exceptions do not justify removing the rule.

It is unfortunate that some my stereotype you, but that is a function of your choices to be grouped into that stereotype.

When I was younger, I dressed in such a manner to be lumped into the 80s version of the same stereotype, and was likely stereotyped similarly. I was an exception-- as you are.

But it was my choice.


-- John
 
I have long hair, never have a clean shave, normally wear leather, and not only carry a knife, but a gun as well.

Y'all wanna know who profiles the most? YOU.

Whenever I catch someone eyeballin me, lock their car doors when I walk by, try avoid me, I wanna ask if they post here. Its not often that it happens.

Soccermoms, preachers, old ladies, and cops don't seem to pay me any attention. As far as I can tell, its just those who CC (or would if they could).

But I don't take it personally. Just remember to check your six. While you're watching me, trouble may come up from behind.
 
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