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I want it in 10 gauge!
Stoeger Coach Gun?
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MCgunner
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I did that accidentally once with a 12 gauge 3" and almost didn't survive the experience. 
I have a Stoeger coach gun with the better quality stock. It is a rather nice looking gun for the money. I installed a mercury recoil reducing tube and a tritium front bead. Even with the mercury tube the recoil is robust with full power 00 buck. For home defense you might want to consider using tactical type shells.
I just patterned mine at about 30' with various brands and types of tactical shells. Interestingly, the one that patterned the best was the Aguila minishells. I haven't tested them for penetration however. With the Aquila minis the recoil is very mild for a 12 gauge.
I like the Stoeger enough that I am considering having the action and chambers slicked up.
I just patterned mine at about 30' with various brands and types of tactical shells. Interestingly, the one that patterned the best was the Aguila minishells. I haven't tested them for penetration however. With the Aquila minis the recoil is very mild for a 12 gauge.
I like the Stoeger enough that I am considering having the action and chambers slicked up.
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Wow, heavy metals and radioactivity. Why not go the whole nine yards and get an asbestos stock and use dioxin-contaminated oil to lube it.
MCgunner
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Roflmfao!
So anyone with a copy of that article? I'm curious because I always thought a SXS shotgun would be better for HD than a pump. So I would like to read the article to confirm my suspicions ) Hope someone can provide it for my recreational reading. Thanks.
) Hope someone can provide it for my recreational reading. Thanks.JImbothefiveth
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I'd like to hear about that article too.
But, those who clear houses for a living, I've never hear of them using a coach gun. Food for thought.
But, those who clear houses for a living, I've never hear of them using a coach gun. Food for thought.
RX-178
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I tend to believe that clearing a house, and defending yourself in your home are two separate scenarios, that just happen to have a few overlapping aspects.
I would be very interested in seeing how the advantages of the coach gun stack up against pump action or semi-auto shotguns in home defense conditions.
I would be very interested in seeing how the advantages of the coach gun stack up against pump action or semi-auto shotguns in home defense conditions.
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To the gent asking if a spartan would be better: I've personally not shot one, but I do know of two which have had the seam between barrels split, and need re-welded.
As for pumps vs. doubles, here's an amusing bit of anecdotal evidence. I'm just not quite sure what it's evidence of, though.
At a recent SASS match, they had an extra category called "Wild Bunch." The general idea was to mimic the movie of the same name, by allowing the use of 1911s and Winchester '97s. Before you say that '97s are always allowed, the new wrinkle was that this time, they started loaded up, instead of the usual open and empty. I thought that would be a huge advantage over the open and empty double. Just no sort of competition. WRONG!! I shot both my normal way, with single actions and a double, and the Wild Bunch way, with a 1911, and stoked pump. I think the best improvement I had all day was about 2 seconds, and often not even that.
The flip side of that, is that I'm not at all sure I would do as well in the dark, without my shotgun belt, and possibly without enough room to swing the double around for loading purposes.
~~~Mat
As for pumps vs. doubles, here's an amusing bit of anecdotal evidence. I'm just not quite sure what it's evidence of, though.
At a recent SASS match, they had an extra category called "Wild Bunch." The general idea was to mimic the movie of the same name, by allowing the use of 1911s and Winchester '97s. Before you say that '97s are always allowed, the new wrinkle was that this time, they started loaded up, instead of the usual open and empty. I thought that would be a huge advantage over the open and empty double. Just no sort of competition. WRONG!! I shot both my normal way, with single actions and a double, and the Wild Bunch way, with a 1911, and stoked pump. I think the best improvement I had all day was about 2 seconds, and often not even that.
The flip side of that, is that I'm not at all sure I would do as well in the dark, without my shotgun belt, and possibly without enough room to swing the double around for loading purposes.
~~~Mat
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Many years ago I bought a Rossi Overland Coach in 12 Ga, external functioning hammers. Idea was to leave it loaded/hammers down on what I thought would be a safety notch, with blocked firing pins for backup. After examination showed no blocked firing pins, and a fragile-appearing safety notch, I traded it for a Stoeger Coach in 12 Ga.
The Stoeger worked fine, but the stock apparently didn't fit me well (straight grip), and drove my thumb into my nose, which really diminished the fun of shooting it!
Traded the Stoeger for a Remington Spartan 12 ga Coach w/choke tubes. This gun fits better for me (pg stock), and shoots pretty much to poa at 20 yds or so, both buck & slugs, with the slugs vertically separated by maybe 3".
All 3 kicked like hell with slugs or heavy buck loads, but now I can shoot without a bloody nose! Doubles and singles are my favorites.
The Stoeger worked fine, but the stock apparently didn't fit me well (straight grip), and drove my thumb into my nose, which really diminished the fun of shooting it!
Traded the Stoeger for a Remington Spartan 12 ga Coach w/choke tubes. This gun fits better for me (pg stock), and shoots pretty much to poa at 20 yds or so, both buck & slugs, with the slugs vertically separated by maybe 3".
All 3 kicked like hell with slugs or heavy buck loads, but now I can shoot without a bloody nose! Doubles and singles are my favorites.
Domino
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So anyone with a copy of that article? I'm curious because I always thought a SXS shotgun would be better for HD than a pump. So I would like to read the article to confirm my suspicions
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Subsonic
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Hi Domino,
Can you put me on the list also? Thanks a lot.
Thanks everyone for the replies. Almost as good as D v. R don't you think?
Shoot safe, John
Can you put me on the list also? Thanks a lot.
Thanks everyone for the replies. Almost as good as D v. R don't you think?
Shoot safe, John
Subsonic
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Hi Domino
Hello from Bluffton. We were at CAFB on Tuesday afternoon to shoot skeet. Great fun!
Hello from Bluffton. We were at CAFB on Tuesday afternoon to shoot skeet. Great fun!
MCgunner
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On those guns, did they have a sling swivel stud drilled and tapped into the barrel divider? I saw a double of undetermined make go afoul because of that, too much stress on the rib.
Domino
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Done!
Glad you liked it, I have only done it a few times myself and I really enjoyed it too. Since I don't have my Stoeger here with me I like the fact that they will loan you browning over and unders in 12 or 20 gauge for free, and all you have to do is supply your ammo, pay for clays, and clean em' when you are done. Not a bad deal at all for a day of fun!
peacemaker45
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I couldn't say for sure, but I highly doubt it. They're both guns shot by cowboy hotrods, and neither one of those guys are long on adding extraneous stuff to their irons.
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I had two Stoeger Coach guns, one in 12 and one in 20. They are not the best gun but they are a great gun for the money.
I read the article. Very interesting. Thank you, Domino.
How would you guys rate Spartan coach guns vs. Stoeger? Do any of them have ejectors as opposed to extractors?
In my mind, an ideal HD SxS would be a 20ga with single trigger and automatic selective ejectors. 20" barrels. There would be a ammo storage device on the stock. That's how I see it...
How would you guys rate Spartan coach guns vs. Stoeger? Do any of them have ejectors as opposed to extractors?
In my mind, an ideal HD SxS would be a 20ga with single trigger and automatic selective ejectors. 20" barrels. There would be a ammo storage device on the stock. That's how I see it...
I like 'em ..think they're neat
Here's another good thread on them...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303575&highlight=coach+gun
Here's another good thread on them...
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303575&highlight=coach+gun
MCgunner
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No, if you want selective ejectors in an inexpensive double, for some odd reason, you'll find that in O/Us like the Yildiz, but the SxSs have extractors. I'd prefer selective ejectors, but my Spartan has what I was looking for, choke tubes and double triggers (I wanted it primarily for hunting). It's a 20 and I keep it in the bedroom loaded with #3 buck and a butt cuff on it with spare ammo. I use the safe room strategy figuring the BG can have anything he wants in the house if he can get out with it before the cops show up. We have a pretty quick response time in this little town. If he comes through that locked door, he gets a chest full of number 3 at about 15 feet. Shouldn't need another round. I ain't into house clearing, rather leave that to the pros while I prepare in my little fortress. Of course, it's just me and the wife at home now days. If you have kids in another bedroom to protect, the safe room strategy might not work for you. But, in this scenario, I don't reckon I'll ever need to reload, but if I do, I can yank those empties out pretty fast. Dove hunting is good practice for that. There's a lot to be said for defense with a gun you are intimate with in the field and know blindfolded and upside down.
I can't say that the Spartan is any better than the Stoeger for defense. I bought it mostly for hunting and it's much better for that use just by having choke tubes. I can say it's a well regulated, very well built shotgun that should be going long after I ain't. It ain't real pretty to look at, but it grows on you with time. Pretty is as pretty does. It fits me well and recoil in 20 gauge is a non-issue. I find myself using it for many chores. Yesterday, when my son-in-law got off work, I rode down to the place with him to set up another stand closer to my big feeder so he can bow hunt it and to set up another feeder on the other side of the place. I grabbed the Spartan and tossed a slug in the left barrel when we got there in case we came across a hog. Right I/C choked barrel had a dove load in it as dove season has opened here. You can't do that with a pump.
I'd prefer selective ejectors, but my Spartan has what I was looking for, choke tubes and double triggers (I wanted it primarily for hunting). It's a 20 and I keep it in the bedroom loaded with #3 buck and a butt cuff on it with spare ammo. I use the safe room strategy figuring the BG can have anything he wants in the house if he can get out with it before the cops show up. We have a pretty quick response time in this little town. If he comes through that locked door, he gets a chest full of number 3 at about 15 feet. Shouldn't need another round. I ain't into house clearing, rather leave that to the pros while I prepare in my little fortress. Of course, it's just me and the wife at home now days. If you have kids in another bedroom to protect, the safe room strategy might not work for you. But, in this scenario, I don't reckon I'll ever need to reload, but if I do, I can yank those empties out pretty fast. Dove hunting is good practice for that. There's a lot to be said for defense with a gun you are intimate with in the field and know blindfolded and upside down.I can't say that the Spartan is any better than the Stoeger for defense. I bought it mostly for hunting and it's much better for that use just by having choke tubes. I can say it's a well regulated, very well built shotgun that should be going long after I ain't. It ain't real pretty to look at, but it grows on you with time. Pretty is as pretty does. It fits me well and recoil in 20 gauge is a non-issue. I find myself using it for many chores. Yesterday, when my son-in-law got off work, I rode down to the place with him to set up another stand closer to my big feeder so he can bow hunt it and to set up another feeder on the other side of the place. I grabbed the Spartan and tossed a slug in the left barrel when we got there in case we came across a hog. Right I/C choked barrel had a dove load in it as dove season has opened here. You can't do that with a pump.
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Does Beretta own Franchi and Benelli too? If you go to Franchi's website you will see info on Stoeger and Benelli shotguns
jjohnson
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Oh, yes!
Hey, for home defense - absolutely. I bought one for a buddy of mine whose wife has to sit at home alone in the boonies too often. I bought it and put it through its paces before I handed it over.
Quality is pretty good for the price. Not a Perazzi or even Beretta, but good, solid, well finished, well engineered hardware. And very, very handy
Some folks aren't comfortable with an auto or pump shotgun for home defense. In my case, my buddy's wife isn't even much of a casual shooter, but knows a little bit about firearms. He didn't want anything too complicated for her to use in an emergency.
The thing shot great with #4 high brass loads I used to break it in, and was very impressive with the "real thing" I gave 'em for actual home defense - #4 Buck. Recoil with the #4 Buck was stout, but manageable. The lady loves it.
My buddy, does, too, but she doesn't let him shoot it very often Next time I see one at a good price, I may buy one for my lady.
Hey, for home defense - absolutely. I bought one for a buddy of mine whose wife has to sit at home alone in the boonies too often. I bought it and put it through its paces before I handed it over.
Quality is pretty good for the price. Not a Perazzi or even Beretta, but good, solid, well finished, well engineered hardware. And very, very handy
Some folks aren't comfortable with an auto or pump shotgun for home defense. In my case, my buddy's wife isn't even much of a casual shooter, but knows a little bit about firearms. He didn't want anything too complicated for her to use in an emergency.
The thing shot great with #4 high brass loads I used to break it in, and was very impressive with the "real thing" I gave 'em for actual home defense - #4 Buck. Recoil with the #4 Buck was stout, but manageable. The lady loves it.
My buddy, does, too, but she doesn't let him shoot it very often
Next time I see one at a good price, I may buy one for my lady.2ndamd
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As far as a double vs pump.
I can go into it very specifically but, suffice it to say "silence is golden."
Especially when you are alone and having to clear a home to get to the children.
Meaning......Don't clear a home alone. This is a dangerous proposition for a team of trained professionals. You, alone in the dark is not going to be very effective or safe clearing a house alone. So, don't do it. But, if you must go protect your cubs......then, silence is golden.
The doubles can be effective stoppers (read: very lethal). That pump sound some of us want to give as a warning? Not good!!!!!!!!!
When it is life and death; silence is golden.
Think about it for just a moment, from the stand point of tactics. What if it is not a burglary but, a professional hit? (it happens all the time to ordinary people too) You just told every one in the house what type of weapon you have, about how much ammo, and worst of all...............your location!!!!!!!!!
I like a Remington 870 better than a double for a fighting gun but, the doubles have an advantage when it comes to the tactics of "silence is golden."
Think of it in hunting terms. You don't make the deer aware of where you are......right?
I know it is a scary proposition to think of defense as offense. Especially when it is a human you are targeting. But, this predator is the one that brought the fight to you. Now you have to finish it before he/she does. Stay strong and focus on surviving. Put them down.
Okay, longer than I wanted. Just stick with silence is golden for a tactic of HD.
I can go into it very specifically but, suffice it to say "silence is golden."
Especially when you are alone and having to clear a home to get to the children.
Meaning......Don't clear a home alone. This is a dangerous proposition for a team of trained professionals. You, alone in the dark is not going to be very effective or safe clearing a house alone. So, don't do it. But, if you must go protect your cubs......then, silence is golden.
The doubles can be effective stoppers (read: very lethal). That pump sound some of us want to give as a warning? Not good!!!!!!!!!
When it is life and death; silence is golden.
Think about it for just a moment, from the stand point of tactics. What if it is not a burglary but, a professional hit? (it happens all the time to ordinary people too) You just told every one in the house what type of weapon you have, about how much ammo, and worst of all...............your location!!!!!!!!!
I like a Remington 870 better than a double for a fighting gun but, the doubles have an advantage when it comes to the tactics of "silence is golden."
Think of it in hunting terms. You don't make the deer aware of where you are......right?
I know it is a scary proposition to think of defense as offense. Especially when it is a human you are targeting. But, this predator is the one that brought the fight to you. Now you have to finish it before he/she does. Stay strong and focus on surviving. Put them down.
Okay, longer than I wanted. Just stick with silence is golden for a tactic of HD.
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