Stoeger Double Defense

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If someone was used to SxSs and didn't want to get used to a pump I can see it being useful. I don't see where it looks any more outrageous than a pistol grip only pump with a 10 shot magazine, breacher barrel, et al. for "home defense". I can't believe they put a single trigger on it though. With double triggers you have an additional reliability advantage over a single lock gun.
 
Break-open guns are more intuitive and simple to use for folks not that familiar with firearms, so it would be relatively easy for beginners to use. Two shots should be enough for most HD situations, and if you add a butt cuff and lots of practice shooting and reloading it should do the job.

Looks kinda silly, though, IMO.
 
I still don't understand why you'd want a red dot on a shotgun when a bead works fine for hitting a tiny target flying by at 35 MPH, 35 yards away.

Hell, I even had a gunsmith remove a brazed-on fiber sight from one of my shotguns and replace it with a brass bead, because the fiber sight was a distraction, not a help.

IMO you can't replace a little practice and basic skills with expensive crap hung on a gun.

I can see the flashlight, though.
 
ArmedBear,
I agree that a bead is best for flying targets, but stationary targets that are farther away are well suited to a red dot. I use one on my turkey gun becase it throws a tight pattern out quite a ways, but poi and poa don't match up well with just a bead. I would think the same would apply to slugs and buckshot being fired at ranges of 20yards +. In a home though, where ranges are short, I don't see much advantage.
 
A turkey gun is a special case, and is shot like a rifle, aimed, not pointed. A low-power scope for low light can even make sense on a turkey gun, and high rifle-style combs are common on turkey-specific shotguns as well.

Ditto for a slug gun, or buckshot to some extent. (OTOH European-style running boar shooting uses a rifle a lot like a shotgun.)

In general, though, for what I see as a short, defensive shotgun for point-shooting an approaching deadly threat, I'll take simple and fast.:)

Note that the drop on that gun is far too much for using that red dot. The inexperienced shooter would be in for a big surprise when he pulled the trigger on that stock, while looking through it.
 
To each their own -- BUT -- myself , I think it is a bit silly but a good marketing ploy. As others stated -- a flashlight is a good idea on a HD shotgun but a red dot , IMHO , is not needed for inside the house defense.
 
I'd lose the red dot and put a night-vision sight on it with an infrared laser instead of the flashlight.

Oh and let's not forget a vertical grip, sling, and hi-cap bandolier or some kind for quick reloads.

Maybe instead of a vertical pistol grip you could mount a Saiga-12 Mag upside down and use it as a pistol grip / speedfeed system!

Evil Black SxS is appealing to me :)
 
wow that looks stupid shot guns are point and shoot anyway no need for red dot, i dislike the rails and the single trigger. two very fast shots of 00 and I suspect anything in front of it is in pain however a pump seems more useful.
 
The only real useful additions that thing has are the fiber optic bead and the bottom rail for a light. I see the porting as a potential draw back. I don't think this thing has ejectors (I might be wrong I have had trouble confirming this) but rather extractors which makes no sense to me (I think they just adapted an existing model). I'd prefer double triggers as well. Another thing i personally would like is if it was threaded for choke tubes.

I like coach guns and think they are viable home defense weapons. If you got this put a light on it and a but cuff with spare shells and practiced reloads etc this would be a viable weapon. The flashlight is nice for HD but aside from that there are other coach gun models I would rather have. If I did get this I wouldn't put an aim point on it.
 
I am waiting to see the Speed Strips for it
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Forget that, moon clips. (or the equivalent)


In other news I am apt to let magazine readers buy and rave about their rails with their lights and their red dot. Blah blah I know if and when and where and how and any number of one in a million hypotheticals can make the use of such gizmos and gadgets a luxury for a situation that is anything but luxurious. Buy your equipment and use it well but understand when the shots start flying all the electrical gadgets and cool gizmos are only going to be a hinderance.

Ill take the standard coach gun please.
 
when the shots start flying all the electrical gadgets and cool gizmos are only going to be a hinderance.
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The only possibility is for a flash light to be a hindrance? Are you serious? I'll have to ask why SWAT buddy why they use them if all they can possibly do is serve as a hindrance. I'll ask the guys I know who spent time clearing houses in Iraq why they stuck lights and optical sights on the guns if all they can do is hinder them.

Such a hyperbolic blanket statement as the one you made is bound to be wrong. A more valid point might be that equipment is not a replacement for the necessary skill sets. Thinking that fancy equipment is all that is needed is foolish. Having equipment you don't know how to use is not of much help either. One of the reasons I believe that taking shooting courses and competing in shooting sports is good is because it will help one sort out what equipment is useful and what is dead weight, unreliable or in the way.
 
This is a joke right? I think it is downright stupid. I have looked at the plain-jane sxs stoegers, and decided against them over a pump, but a plain-jane sxs with the black poly stock, I would go for. Just keep that stupid useless stuff off of it. No rail, light, dot.......It is a SXS shotgun for crying out loud, not a rifle or even a tactical shotgun. That stuff is as useless on that gun as a laser on a BP muzzleloader.
 
I agree with the general consensus that this is a very silly gun, though there you have to give Stoeger credit for taking a concept (the "tactical" side-by-side) and running with it. On the other hand, I have often thought that any of a number of coach guns, including the various Stoegers, as will as the over-and-under Stoeger Condor Outback, might make a great all around gun for many kinds of hunting, varmits on four legs or two, SHTF, you name it. With some long-lasting glow-in-the-dark sight paint on those fixed sights, a stock cuff with some reloads and, perhaps, some kind of flashlight, you'd have a hell of nasty tool for social work as well as all the utility applications.
 
I camp and hunt off a motorcycle, so anything I camp with or hunt with needs to fit inside a fairly small package. Practical as I think just stapping an 870 or a 590 to the side of my backpack and heading down the highway is, the public at large does not agree.

I want a "camp" shotgun, and that means I need to be able to affix an light. I like that condor too, which also takes chokes.

if I could take the rail off the top, and just forget it I'd be sold. Otherwise, I'm gonna look at the Condor I think. I bet I could find a lightrail to screw into the side of the Condor's handguard dont you?
 
the red-dot is pointless on a sxs because we all know that it wont be regulated for ****! he needs one reddot on each barrel
 
poi and poa don't match up well with just a bead.
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Unless you can shoot a shotgun.

That's what a lot of gadgets are for (except, perhaps, a flashlight). Someone tries a gun, can't hit squat with it, and thinks that's something a few hundred bucks and batteries can cure.

If the gun doesn't fit, one wouldn't have bought it in the first place, if he knew how to shoot it.:)
 
Advantage over a pump gun? Not really.

But it sure would be cool to have.

For social work with a double, though, I want selective triggers. The standard coachgun will do quite nicely.
 
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